What narrative? I’m not some “killer main” telling you that solo queue is super easy and just “git gud.” I have over 2,000 hours in the game and probably about half of that is solo queue survivor. I know what it’s like to play solo queue.

I’m just telling you what the stats say. Solo queue survivors escape on average 40% of the time. If you’re escaping less often than that, I don’t know what else to tell you other than work on improving your gameplay. Plenty of other solo queue survivors are doing it. If they weren’t, the average would be well below 40%. If you are escaping that often, but it’s still not good enough for you, that’s an issue with your expectations of the game. You can keep asking for survivor buffs/killer nerfs to increase the escape rate, which will make the game more difficult for killer players. BHVR targets the 40% escape rate for a reason. When it’s been lower than that in the past, not enough people wanted to play killer and survivor queues were ridiculously long.

Why are you still playing it then? If the game is as miserable as you say it is, nobody would be playing solo queue and the devs would have to adjust the balance. Clearly there are a lot of players that still play solo queue despite how miserable you believe it is. Maybe stop to think if this is more of an issue with your expectation of the game instead of the game being massively unfair for the side that you play.

Like I said last time queue times doesn't matter. It's an excuse. BHVR didn't do anything to improve survivors when killers had long queue times. Released new killers, buffed killers, and didn't touch one thing about survivors.

Solo Q is definitely the hardest role, by far. I play both sides but mainly play solo Q, because I like a challenge. But I also like to learn the counters to killers and their add-ons by playing them first-hand. To win with this matchmaking and OP killer balance you have to basically hard carry every match in order to win as solo Q survivor. The issue is that low skill cheese tactics have been made so viable by BHVR in killer role that you can have a measly 200 hours as a killer and still dominate survivors with 1K hours+ each who should dunk on you if this game were sensibly balanced. So your skill discrepancy needs to be enormous to have good results, which will be the minority of the player base since most people don't play this game for a living. Just think of the Xeno nerf which got backtracked when a couple whiny killer mains complained about it BHVR panicked and reverted their changes in fear that the killers will stop playing if they don't have a nearly undodgeable tail attack.

The analogy would be if you're playing Rocket League, you basically need to be a Grand Champ rank pro player as a solo survivor to beat a Gold rank killer consistently. As long as you aren't playing like a Bronze or Silver level killer you'll get decent results as killer. Took me 2K hours as survivor main to start being competent on survivor side in solo Q and now at over 3K hours as survivor I can dominate most killers since a lot of them are mediocre with inflated MMRs due to stomping a bunch of clueless solo Q beginners. They really only get lucky when my teammates DC or suicide on hook and I'm forced to play for hatch, and I don't bring a rat build like Clairvoyance + Sole Survivor yet I still manage to outplay a lot of these mediocre carbon copy killers in end game 1 v 1s. They generally stop chasing me after 1 chase and give up to go tunnel the weak link, that's the only chance they really have.

I legit play killer just to learn their mechanics better and "take a break" from solo Q when I get bullshit matchmaking too many times in a row with survivor teammates that don't even have 200 hours. But it quickly gets boring 3-4King most of my matches without even being that mechanically good at killer, so then I go back to survivor for a real challenge. I just pretend I'm playing the "insane" difficulty of a single player game like Descent. But I'm insane so I make it work. Even the so-called "hardest" killers to learn and "weakest, low tier" killers according to these crybaby killer mains, I still dominate with. Doesn't matter which one I play because the built-in wall hacks, auto aim and no clip lets me win on auto pilot with just the most basic low skill brain dead cheese tactics. They say Blight takes skill but frankly I found him easier than most killers to learn and I can crush teams without even being very good at him just by understanding how good survivors play.

So yes the odds are stacked against you in Solo Q but if you do escape it is most likely because you're way better than the killer you're facing even though they're very likely to accuse you of cheating or being in a SWF when you do play well because they really hate when their ego trip gets shattered. The primary issue I see with most killer mains is that they depend on crutch builds with low skill cheese tactics and don't understand the game with much depth at all. What they do is search for their favorite idol killer main streamer and just copy their build and playstyle 1 for 1. This can be done in a few minutes quite literally and then you just practice it for a couple hundred hours. If you're an advanced survivor you know the perfect counter play to every trick these killers will throw at you. They have virtually no ingenuity and are cheap imitations of their favorite streamer kind of like a shiatty Led Zeppelin tribute band. But instead of copying Led Zeppelin, they're copying Otz or another popular killer main that found one effective build and playstyle that works for them. These imitators are one trick pony's and bring builds like Corrupt Intervention, Pain Res, Grim Embrace and Nowhere to Hide on Blight one of the most OP killers in the game. I can predict their behavior 3 steps ahead at all times because their knowledge is primarily second-hand and they never really experimented for themselves to deviate from the overly regurgitated hivemind playstyle which is only effective against beginner to intermediate level survivors that don't have comms. At the high level you need spontaneity, unpredictability and originality to succeed, and most of these killer mains have none of it because BHVR has been holding their hand every single step of the way since update 6.1. They wouldn't even last a week in their preferred role pre 6.1.

Nurse has had the lowest kill rate nearly 3 or 4 times now.

I guess its just a skill issue if you die to her using your logic. She needs buffs obviously.


I guess everyone downvoting just doesnt like it when their logic applied in the other direction fails.

Yea see what you are doing here, you doing what another commenter posted above.

Id go further into it but you are making the best assumption for nurse to fit a narrative.

With nothing to really back it up, just guessing a bunch of noobs play it, but then simultaneously those same noobs play other killers with high success rates (compared to nurse)

Unless you want to ALSO assume its just nurse mains that dont try other killers, and just forever suck at nurse keeping her stats down (several times by the way).

Which would be a horrendous assumption. People wouldnt try her, lose …. many thousands of matches just because, and either stick with her, and never get better. Or abandon her for other killers. Keeping her stats down.

200 hour assumption you have here I dont even think you'd get into the hundreds of matches so yea your assumption here really is inconsistent. And you'd need thousands of matches of just straight losing on nurse to get her to the point she is now, on a monthly basis nonetheless when they release stats.

TLDR: Your theory does not really fit.


I cant loops logic is still just as bad, maybe worse with a theory like this though.

The principal question is. Nobody cares if u escapre rate is 75% or 25% its about how the match was. i prefer have escape rate around 25% and decent teammates and intense and nice matches instead 75% and boring matches ending with 5 gens up and escaping through the hatch. the real problem isnt the escapes and how the matches are. Today all soloQ matches are miserable, boring, sad and u know how the match will be after just 5 seconds from start , because of that we have the "go next" epidemic, because today u know what will happen imediately after the beggining and people get frustrated after this 5 seconds and give up. I will never tire of say. This game for Soloq is unplayable now and before, when we had the RANK SYSTEM instead the MMR, even without a lot of "help" for soloQ, like a Hud, borrowed time basekit, no catch in the hook, and other things, this game was SO MUCH BETTER to play as SoloQ. Changes on maps, perks and boring killers contribute to make the matches like that, and now, the Kaneki will be the next boring killer to play against. i really dont know how this game still alive with the soloQ in that stage.

Now we will have pinishment for those who give up at the beginning, I understand the concept about this, but, punishing someone because the game is in a miserable state can backfire, instead of fixing the real problem, they are punishing the people because they dont want to play boring matches, some people could be leave this game because of that.

Yea you are assuming what I just said.

A bunch of noobs on nurse, fail at it, so much so in <200 hours that they bring her stats down, quit playing her.

But then play other killers with that same amount of hours and are just getting 4ks left and right.

I mean if thats the case we need some massive nerfs to this game if 200 hour players are just dominating left and right from not playing nurse and playing wesker.



This just makes icantloops argument on escaping <40% a skill issue even more inconsistent. Now we have 200 hour killer players just dominating the landscape, several thousand hour soloQ players just need to get good.

I mean it's not really hard it's just unrewarding. The fact is no matter how good you are you're at the mercy of a horrible matchmaking.

Solutions for Solo-Queue?

You realize that SWF does this correct? Its an option for people that dont want to use mics/may not have mics. But still able to cooridnate/comm when they are in chase rather than stop and go doing nothing.

And its just one option I put

This might be a hot take, but SoloQueue has really gone downhill ever since BHVR implemented MMR/SBMM, and the way that the matchmaking algorithm prioritizes queue time instead of actually matching players based on skill, like it used to do in the old days when the matchmaking was based on ranks.

I think, aside from at least letting players see the perks that the teammates are bringing, the easiest fix would be to match players with and against other players of a similar skill level (maybe +/- 100 MMR of you), and not just pick randomly based on fast queue times.
Then, the way MMR works has to be calculated differently, and not just be simply based on kills vs. escapes. Like using the emblems, which are already in the game, as a way to calculate MMR gains/losses. Granted, with certain categories carrying more weight. In essence, if you gained MMR by playing well enough to pip, did not change MMR if you were between the first pip and the old "safety pip" treshold, or lost MMR if you were in the old de-pip range, this would have been a much better system.