Lol

watch hens video about genrush, real option

So what I'm gathering from this video is:

• You're playing Trapper.
• It's a 4-man SWF on comms.
• All 4 survivors are running green toolboxes with Brand New Parts.
• All of them split up at the beginning of the match, for max reparation efficiency.
• You failed to pressure them and push them off gens (though, given how much they split up and how coordinated they were, I don't really blame you).
• You still ended up getting two kills.

Yes, 4-man SWF teams who play to win and bring genrush builds will absolutely destroy you, especially when you're playing one of the weakest killers in the game. It is unfair, but it is what it is (at least for now). I wouldn't give it any much more thought than you already have. Even some of the best killer players in this game would struggle against such builds, especially if the killer is Trapper.

Most games you will not be matched against highly coordinated 4-man SWF teams (unless you have some crazy SBMMR going on). This is absolutely not your average game. I'm not saying that this shouldn't be looked into by the devs, but if I were you I wouldn't worry too much about it because every now and then you will get teams like this and the best you can do is simply not care. You had everything working against you here.

Meh, whatever, really. You played one of the worst Killers in the game and go against a 4 man who wants to do some world record attempts. Unlucky, but nothing dramatic, this is not a representation of the actual game.

Not even worth a thread IMO, you will not go against such a squad for years from now on.

Many players such as myself go against efficient teams multiple times in a short gaming session. They aren't that rare. It isn't hard to be an efficient team outside of solo queue. Hand waving away the broken game balance is not fair to people who have to play against it

I literally just played against multiple survivors with 7k+ hours on comms last night on Demogorgon. I got sent to Gas Heaven. I got 1 hit at 4 gens done and got crap for bloodpoints. I'm not a sweaty Blight, I'm a mediocre M1 console player. I have a game like this almost every session where I play about 6 games. They aren't yearly occurrences like a holiday

Yea unfortunately people use hyperbole way too much.

"Look at the video of the world record" is pretty hard to take seriously. As if anyone is even making it in 5 minutes on a regular basis. Which they arent.

I repeat:

You dont go against those teams on a regular basis. This is an absolute outlier. Should it happen? No. Is it worth to put time into fixing this? Also no.

Oh, my mistake, I thought the main grievance was about “gen rushing”. I guess I’m not sure I understand. How can survivors be in the power role when they have a 40% success rate? And if you want to count the top MMR, which is the top 5% of the player base, including those crazy strong 4 man SWFs that occur 3-6% of the time, (according to the last time we got stats) then that success rate is 48%. 8% more than SoloQ, and still less than half. Why do you consider the role that’s been statistically proven to be weaker, the power role?

Oh, it's me on 4h50 on the video! I kinda bullied the nemesis.

A power role in other games is where, generally, the 1 killer has more kind of control over the match, while the others try to overcome that. In this game, it's 1 side making the other side their plaything, which is almost always the survivors unless they're the ones getting smurfed. That's what very low skill requirement gens allow. It's just efficiency; do your objective and you'll win. And the survivor's objective getting finished so fast means the killer doesn't have time to do his. The thing is survivors don't have to use any of the busted perks or items in the game to do that. The gens themselves are busted fast. So while a killer using the strongest stuff in the game might break even with that, the survivors can just equip their strongest stuff and trump the killer still.

It's a different with killer, too. Survivors are all basically skins, all with the same abilities. Killers are all different with their powers and sometimes movement speed. It's not fair to ask killers to be locked into the strongest 2-3 killers to compete, in a roster of almost 40. It's actually ridiculous that people have supported the game getting to that point. And yes, those are basically the only ones that are viable. Nurse, Blight, and arguably Spirit. Everyone else is just subpar fodder. There have been attempts to make those lesser killers viable, through add-ons and builds, like Pinky Finger Clown, Engineer's Fang Pinhead, hit and run Wraith, head trap kill Pig, oh but look, all nerfed. Best thing you can do with those killers now is get lucky to go against weak enough opponents to win.

I have to strongly disagree here. We've seen unrestricted tournaments where both sides sweat it out with the most busted stuff and it definitely isn't a 'power role' situation. Singularity, Dracula, Artist, Billy and old Chucky did well on these. So clearly the killer isn't helpless, even at equal skill level.

That's actually going to be my main point here: Skill level. There's a reason why you see players like Hens or Scott Jund win against even strong teams with killers like Nemesis, and that's because they're very good. I definitely feel like this perspective of power roles also comes from people perceiving better players than them as having an advantage. There is definite BS in this game, but it is pure cope to blame it all on RNG, otherwise you wouldn't have genuinely good players like Knightlight or Xeno obliterate SWF's with 'no tunnel and camp' challenges.

My experiences don't mirror what you're saying. I main Nemesis and I win most pub matches, and I've had some sweaty Russian teams from time to time. They'll beat me more often than naught, but I'll actually admit they're just better than me. And then I go back to whipping to death most of my matches. And I don't consider myself anything more than 'decent'.