yes because smurfing is a thing you can do if you really want to

Uh when they do challenges I guess? Like the hardcore challenges they purchase different copies of the game.

Which lets you in on how its … A BITTTTT unfair when you realize they are starting at baby MMR.

Still a hard challenge for sure cause soloQ

People claim this all the time, but you can you provide any source that shows most players are truly at the soft cap. The only thing I ever see people mention is how quickly a new account can reach the soft cap, however, that is talmost always sourced from a cheater or a very good player who wins most of heir initial matches which sky rockets your MMR since the confidence value is very low. For a truly new inexperienced player who loses many matches at the start their MMR will go down, the confidence value will go up, and the amount of time/improvement it takes to reach the soft cap increases as a result.

Even the group testimony of the people you interact with is mostly insufficient because the people who are active in the community on forums/discord/x/etc. are a sample of the larger population in which a selection bias has occurred and it likely biases towards the higher ends of MMR. Keep in mind when the devs posted stats about nemesis those showed zombies averaged almost 2 hits per game. That's how bad the average player is. I probably haven't been hit by a nemesis zombie in my last 20 games against him.

But Joe Workman who has 3 jobs and works 80 hours a week and plays DBD when he has time off is not the kind of player you will find on this forumn, yet he exists nonetheless. And he's the player who gets hit every other time he faces a nemesis and there are thousands of him that you will never meet.

Not saying that creators tank their MMR, but it's just that any player that is "good" by our standards is a player who is beyond the MMR soft cap meaning they frequently face opponents that are worse than them and they make their opponents look worse than they are. I wouldn't be surprised if that was less than 20% of players, maybe even less than 10%.

Have the devs ever released any stats showing distribution of player MMR? To my knowledge they have not, but I would happily be corrected, and would love for the devs to release that information.

To have a low MMR as killer you would need to dedicate a lot of time letting every survivor go every match. That is not possible when streaming for several hours playing killer and getting 3k/4k.

Would love if someone with inside knowledge could comment - is there some sort of uncertainty factor that causes new accounts to gain MMR more quickly if they win all their first handful of games?

You redacted a name so I don't know if we're supposed to not say specific names or not,

Anyway, in the Big 4's recent Hardcore Survivor attempt, it was mentioned that there was anti-smurfing that pulled people up more quickly. They didn't go into details on the specifics or how they knew about it so I can't verify beyond saying I heard them say it (I also watched the attempt live, no idea if it made it into the compilation vids).

People used to question this for years and I never understood it because alot of content creators would usually only play during streaming time and once upon a time you could see player level and Devotion level on their lobby page to confirm this. You could see there was little to no change in player level between streams, indicating that they weren't playing and therefore weren't purposely tanking. Because your player level would still move even if you were playing badly.

So, while possible, I didn't see any evidence that this was the case and even though those levels are no longer shown in lobby/to viewers, I can't see why they'd all start tanking their games off-line now when they never needed to before.

I truly think something is going on with a lot of them.

The only one who seems to consistently go against the kind of survivors that i consistently go against as killer is tru3ta1ent. But when i watch otz, or scott, its clear that they rarely go against the godly survivor teams. Sure they get them from time to time, but not neary as often as i or tru3 do.

I suspect this is some kind of combination of region/time they play and less to do with matchmaking. I doubt they tank their MMR as that would be pretty obvious from looking at their shard count among other things. But i really do think matchmaking has something going on, maybe it has to do with the matchmaking delay option? Or streamer mode? But i don't really know.

I plan on recording all my matches when the ghoul comes out and posting them on youtube to try and see a comparison as time goes on.

A few of the bigger DBD content creators got caught doing that years ago (pre-MMR), and I don't know why it would be any different now. I think it's pretty likely a lot of them do, but that's just a gut feeling without proof.

Well, they're getting bad players somehow. Probably via what you explained in the second paragraph.

I'm always amazed that MMR is so low of a priority in topics of discussion, for dev and player alike, when it creates 50% of the game's problems. Like, a lot of this stuff we debate about all the time, we don't have to do it, if only they'd just make the MMR better. They haven't even begun to refine it. They brought it to the game and it was nearly perfect, then they destroyed it by making it way less strict a few months or a year later to cut down on queue times, and since then we've gotten nothing else on it except for "team MMR" a while back, which evidently didn't do anything to help.

Thanks :)

Interesting to see they brought down votes back

I’ve always thought the same. I’m not the best player out there, but I’ve got enough hours to know the difference between good survivors and bad ones. And honestly, a lot of the matches content creators get just seem way too easy.

Behaviour really raised my suspicions, especially with how they handle MMR. Someone actually figured out a way to check their MMR, but Behaviour got their legal team involved and shut it down. Now nobody can see their MMR anymore. If we could our MMR, the whole debate about easy matches would probably disappear.

I actually played during the weekends when they were testing MMR, and I remember one weekend that was just horrible for newer players. Then one of the other weekends, YouTube videos popped up like that it was everything but fun to sweat 24/7. But to me, it honestly felt like nothing really changed.

But then again, ask yourself this: would people still care about content creators if they kept getting destroyed as survivors or looped into oblivion every match as killer?

The reason for the question is that if we consider these people the top of the crop then why is it not the same in other games ?

The answer, as it comes up a lot of times when comparing DbD to other games, is that the other games aren't asymms.

Most games have a direct comparison. The skills you are learning as you improve in Counterstrike are the same as another player. Survivor and killer are learning different skill sets.

Additionally, not only are killers and survivors both improving in the game as you improve in ranks, at some point survivors will begin to SWF. There is no killer equivalent. A killer can reach the hypothetical best possible skill on their own, survivors not only need to master the game, but then need to find 3 other survivors of equal skill level and organize times to all play together.

That's going to make the 4 person SWFs rare to find.

That's why its a lot different than Starcraft or Courternstrike.

It's not just all of that, but the backfilling, which will pretty much drop anyone into any lobby to speed things up. BHVR has all but said explicitly that accuracy is being sacrificed for speed in matchmaking. And that is not limited to midranks.

It seem to be really hard to accept for some people that we're all subject to this, but there isn't a single person playing public matches who isn't experiencing some level of unevenness in matchmaking. Even people playing the game for a living.

It's gotten to the point where I groan internally when I see a survivor or killer leave the lobby, because I know that the chances of a "balanced" match have dropped drastically. There's a weird irony to the fact that, despite backfilling only existing in the pregame lobby, and not during an ongoing game, backfilling causes so many problems for the game anyway.

I feel that some speed of backfilling could be sacrificed for finding a more appropriately skilled player. It would probably greatly improve the quality of a number of games.

The answer is a clear

"Some of them do. Some of them don't."

One thing is region. A lot of the content creators you are talking about will be from NA and UK I reckon. You can VPN there and see for yourself whether there's a difference.

Much more importantly though, the MMR cap is so low that anyone remotely okay at the game will reach it sooner rather than later, and never drop below it anymore. That means the "high MMR bracket" is really a cesspool capturing anyone from okayish to godlike. This is part of the reason why some of the best killer players in the game can go on winstreaks of hundreds and thousands of matches in a row and yet still face mediocre (at best) groups the majority of the time.

As for how this reflects on your games: Might be a rude awakening, but people that legitimately think content creators like these (and especially the ones that aren't even tournament players but just casual pub grinders like Otz or Scott) lose tons of matches on purpose to tank their MMR are delusional. Not only about the practicality and logistics of doing that (it's evidently impossible), but also about what really makes the average players they are going against seem like bots, when one's own opponents may seem like gods: there is a big skill and experience difference between you and them, and the players they make look like that would still feel like really tough opposition to you. This also extends to obvious mistakes like running into walls: the better the killer is and the more pressure they put on their opponents, the more prone they are to make mistakes because they cannot keep up, get overwhelmed, bamboozled, nervous, discombobulated.

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