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Does having a character at P100 really make you an "expert" on them?
As someone with P100 on 0 characters, and not even being close to any, I'm just wondering, if a player has P100 on a specific character, does that really make them qualified, or whatever, to voice their opinion/teach things about that character as an "expert?"
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Not necessarily.
It is technically possible to get P100 on a character without playing them a single time, since bloodpoints can be spent on anyone. However, P100ing a character is a pretty big dedication, and likely indicates that they have at least a good amount of experience with the character. It's not entirely indicative, though, more of a correlation.
Playtime on a specific character is a far more reliable metric. I'm not a Legion expert because I chose to P100 them, I'm a Legion expert because I've been consistently maining them for 5 years.
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As a general rule, you have to be at least P69 on a Character to give a valid opinion. Anything below that is not worth anyones time.
Jokes aside, Prestige does not make someone an expert. There is some correlation between Prestige and experience on a character on Killer side, but not really much on Survivor. E.g. someone can have all Survivors at P20 and be more experienced that someone who has one Survivor on P100 and the rest below P10.
For Killer, a higher prestige in general means that someone is more dedicated. However, you can also have a P100 character and never played them. Or even that side. Someone can never play Survivor and have a P100-Survivor and vice-versa. And P100 only means that a lot of BPs went into that character, but not that it was played more often. You can grind a character really fast during Anniversary when everyone runs 5 Cakes each game, but get them to P100 in less games than someone who does it outside of events.
And sometimes people play characters, but dont put a lot of BPs into them. E.g. I play Nurse when I want to get some BPs. Since I play her without Add Ons, my BP-investment is 0, but I get more BPs out of it which I spend on other characters. So I am only P12 or something on my Nurse, but quite experienced with it. Someone else might be P100 on her with less time spend.
So in short - no, Prestige should not be a factor when it comes how qualified someone is to give an opinion. Everyone is entitled to give an opinion, regardless of their experience on a character.
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No, it just means you like the character, not necessarily playing them much.
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69 is the correct answer in all scenarios
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Playtime is completely irrelevant to this community. Coco has 5k hours on Huntress and everybody flamed him for saying the Huntress buffs were fine.
Meanwhile people who never played her before said she was OP and needed to be nerfed and everyone agreed with them.
The only thing that matters is “does this person opinion benefit my side?” So no playtime doesn’t matter even remotely to the vast majority of the community.
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I mean, just because someone has 5k hours doesn’t mean they can’t be wrong.
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It means the opposite really.
Seen many P100s trip over their own flashlights.
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I mean, some people will always have differing opinions to yours (or your favourite streamer's), and they are entitled to have them, regardless of the difference in expertise.
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Yes that’s true but there opinions is 100x more valuable and valid than someone who has ZERO hours on a character. Ralph thought the changes were fine too and he has 6k hours on her. I’m 100% listening to them over some person who has played her 5 times. Just saying.
If that kind of time input into a character is meaningless then what’s the point? What’s far more likely is that those guys are right any the others are wrong.
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No argument there, everyone can have their own opinions. It’s just sad that we had 6 of the biggest content creators who mained her all agree that the changes were fine (except for hatchet count) but we had an overwhelming amount of people complain so it got reverted anyways.
The loud majority who hardly played her won over the people who have the most time on her.
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I think it's important to consider the other perspective when it comes to opinions on balancing changes too. People do not have to be experienced in playing a certain killer to have plenty of experience playing against them. Those opinions are also perfectly valid, the killer player isn't the only player in the equation.
It's important to take all of these opinions into account, while also noting their potential biases, in order to achieve a well-rounded discussion.
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Honestly if you haven’t played both as and against a killer you think needs nerfed you shouldn’t have a say on the balance of that character. I thought Mikey and Trapper were insanely overpowered until I played them. I never should’ve been taken seriously in any kind of way about the balance of those characters.
I thought Huntress was S Tier until I put a lot of time into her and finally got paired against good survivors and realized that she actually isn’t anywhere near S Tier.
People even made posts to revert all of the changes for her on the PTB and they never even played against her new version on the PTB because they were console players. How are you allowed to give PTB feedback without playing the PTB?
Rambling about that atrocity aside. My point is nobody gives a rats ahh about playtime. “I’m top 500 Huntress mains worldwide and somebody with 5 hours will tell me I suck and it’s a skill issue on my part if I try to say anything.
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Not really. Technically, you could have a p100 character and never have played them a single time. All Prestige does is show how much bp you've dumped into a character.
It typically means, though, that they at least have a decent amount of experience with them. It likely means they are experienced, but an expert isn't a guarantee.
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As others have said, it doesn't necessarily mean anything at all since a person could just dump all their BP earned elsehwere into a single character. Or you you could have someone who earned all their BP as a surv into a killer having never before played as killer. Not sure why anyone would do that, but there are some odd ducks out there.
One of the worst killers I ever faced was a P100 Nurse, of all things. I remember it specifically because my team (solo, no less) just bodied this poor killer, and I thought wow, that is a baby Nurse, another SBMM fail, but in postgame saw they were P100.
And I've seen hordes of bad P100 survs.
So it might mean something, or nothing.
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P100 just shows to other people how much you like that character - and how much addons you have too. But there is this common sense that if you have a P100 character you have mastered that character - for killer individually or you are a top tier survivor if have one surv p100. I can understand the logic that if didn't have any events on this game getting a p100 character would be an herculean job - but this is not the truth since we have BP Offerings and many events giving the double or triple of BP.
Unfortunately, since i achieved P100 on my killers - Unknown and the Knight - all i receive is trash talk, whether i lose or i win. If i lose i'm "too bad to have that character p100" or if i win i should "just not played that sweaty" (even when i make 8 hooks). I remember when i did not have high prestige and the post chat were more gentle.
In short: no, p100 is just a trophy for your love/dedication for one character, not a skill emblem/certificate.
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Okay but lets move on from you guys saying the same thing.
New question. If someone has prestige their character to P100 playing them only. Would you say you are likely to go up against a strong opponent ?0 -
prestige is trivial at best imo. Time spent played holds more weight imo, and time spent played as for killer.
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Probably, but that also depends on how they play the game. Some people play casually, while others play studiously, trying to learn all the ins and outs and master their power.
It's not unlike Grade. Grade is essentially based on playtime, but not everyone plays the same. Now I don't think Grade is as useless as some claim because there almost has to be some correlation between the time you put in and the skills you develop, but much depends on how you are approaching that time.
Prestige is similar. Odds are better than not that if a player is P100 or Iri 1 they are probably better than most, but it's only part of the equation.
And then there's the the question of whether the time it takes to get to P100 (even dedicated strictly to that character) is enough to become an expert/master of them. I would say that depends on the killer. For many of the killers, you could P100 them twice and still not master them.
I mean if you're just playing a single killer and shoving all your BP into them, you can get them to P100 pretty quickly. Well before you master them. Or even get all that good with them, even.
One could be brand new to DBD and get a P100 killer well inside of 100 hours. And by most standards they'd still be pretty bad.
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As others have said, “technically” no. You could level them and never play them once. Realistically however almost no one is spending that much time and blood points on something they aren’t playing. So no causation, but sure, probably a very strong correlation that they at the very least have an extremely strong understanding of said killer by that point even if not guaranteed.
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I would say it means more to have a P100 Killer than it does to have a P100 Survivor. Just because the equivalent amount of time invested into a single Killer is likely to be more fruitful that playing enough to get a Survivor up to P100. There's more that Survivors have to learn before they "get good" at the role, imho.
I've earned the majority of my Blood points with Legion because they're a BP earning machine. And since I've spent most of the BP I've earned elsewhere, I would definitely have a P100 Legion by now. Does this make me an "expert" Legion? No, absolutely not. I've watched Twitch streamer Legion mains play and they are frankly in a different league to me. But do I think I'm better than a jack of all trades Killer player that plays Legion only occasionally? Probably. I certainly know how to apply pressure better than most streamers that I've watched.
Only BHVR really know if P100 Killers / Survivors perform better on average than lower prestige players. But I think these players are still likely to be better than the average DBD player.
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I would like to know that trick becuase i put 800 hours into ghostface and i am P80 and i win most of my games and i use 100% bonuses and played through all these events relentlessly.. I could understand it as survivor if you are a grp of 4 during event and everyone is stacking 100% bonus points on top of the 300% but as a killer is pretty RNG.
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Of course not. It just means you have WAY TOO MUCH time on your hands.
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Yeah, I ran some back of the napkin math and that was a gross underestimation on my part. My bad.
Still, if you figure 25K a match (seems like a fair killer average) plus the 100% bonus you should hit P100 at about 400 hours, not counting bloodhunts, bloodfeasts, stacked BP offerings, BP giveaways, monthly grade bonuses, and events. So if you play decently and hit up most or all of the events and always use offerings, it should take 300-400 hours (of actual play) to P100 a character.
As for how that's relevant to the topic, is even 400 hours enough to master a killer? In most cases I would say no.
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It doesn't represent anything but you're devotion to loving that character. By spending a shyte ton of bp on them. It never means they know how to play them well, its just implied by their experience with the game seeing ad they've made so much bp
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Without question. An hour on any survivor is essentially the same as an hour of any other survivor.
There is a basic killer game sense that is universal, but most killers are distinct enough that proficiency with one doesn't translate fully to another. Which is why killer MMR isn't universal like surv MMR is.
I'd argue killer MMR should be even more killer specific than it is.
But yeah, if we're just talking about probability, a P100 killer player is more likely to be better than one who isn't.
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This is a very interesting question. So for me I solely played nurse until I p100 her no one else and then did the same with huntress. When I play nurse now my first 2-3 matches will be bad survivors or meh survivors after that the matches pick up a bit. When I play huntress whose been my main for the last year or so it's completely random some days I load up and out the gate get good survivors and some times I get bad ones there's no rhyme or reason outside of just bad match making I guess. I will say after my recent streak I played 20 games only 1 team was able to out me and that's with me just playing bad while perkless and RNG. I'll do some more testing this weekend and report back though.
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Not at all, no.
The new prestige system has been out for coming up on 3 years. If you did one prestige a week you'd have a p100 by now.
You also don't need to play a character you're prestiging. I've considered getting vecna to a high prestige without ever casting a spell (achievement data can show i havent ever used one) to highlight this fact, to be honest.
It can mean dedication to a character, of course, but I think a better metric of someone being considered an expert is games played and winrate averaged across many many games.
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The p100 Ace in tuxedo is obviously a tournament winning survivor main with above 20k hours.
No. Prestige ≠ skill. It just means, that that person is very dedicated to that character.
Usually, people are playing their p100 characters rather often, which results in them being pretty decent at playing them.
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As everything being said here is understandable, I want to take you "at least P69 on a Character to give a valid opinion" and ask, is having a P100 credit enough to give "valid opinions" on a character?
Like for this example, 5k hours and the opinion isn't validated. However, I've seen others use the fact that they have P100 on a character to validate their opinion on something.
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No it does not.There always is going to be a player that is just better than you, killer or survivor and it don't matter. Same applies for any pvp game not cause your top rank does not mean you won't run into someone who may take over it for you.
Though content creators tend to be some of the most vocal about it with the oh they this prestige but can't do this and that. Like do you you think even a decent survivor won't have issue against some killers Iike say a spirit?
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No. Even though people might always get better at something over time, they're likely to reach diminishing returns well before they reach P100. Some people might even reach diminishing returns on skill gains, when they reach P20.
Also, some P100 players are just really bad at estimating what game decisions are reasonable, and will suggest changes that the vast majority of players would just fail at. And some of them will purposely pick game balance decisions that the vast majority of players would fail at, because they want "skill" to be rewarded so much, that they literally want people to fail at their killer if they aren't "dedicated enough".
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This game is little about skill but more about human behaviour , to know what people tend ot do in X situation. most people act the same.
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Absolutely not. Experience and prestige don't go hand in hand. I could P100 Hag without ever playing her.
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Experience and prestige do go hand in hand if you are playing your character to P100. I am a lot stronger on Ghostface than on other killers even tho he is considered "weaker" even against SWF, only do not like that boneyard crpa map on him but other than that the thing that made me feel he was unplayable did change to his strenght which is the early pressure i can get with him with 2-3 downs pretty quick to stabalize the situation. I only run him with 1 slowdown perk (Surge).
But yea there is alot of players who never become better no matter what they do but they just suck irl as well at everything that they do. You can be born with talent or you are not born with talent and even those who do not have any ounce of talent in their body can of course reach P100 but i think you are far more likely to run into a bad P100 Surv than a P100 killer because its hard to imagine someone P100 for +1000 getting stomped on every game and sticking to that character.1 -
It's just a fun number showing your dedication to that character right now, friend. :)
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As Killer, I would say so. If you're that devoted to one Killer, you're probably going to be pretty good with them and know all of their tricks.
As Survivor, absolutely not. I have video evidence of the quote unquote "First every P100 Ada Main" (who, last I checked a few months ago, hadn't streamed in months, and it in fact took me forever to reverse-engineer a search for him since I don't remember his name) and his bully squad:
- Last second-switch to their high-levels
- Pick the map they were going to
- Be generally toxic in their speech towards me
- Harass me the entire game with their flashlights while the one solo queue who was stuck with them did everything
- Call me a r***** and baby killer with no brain cells after I messed up a mindgame (that the Nancy STILL went down to by the way)
- Lose to a perkless, add-onless… WRAITH of all Killers, during the time that he could be Lightburned…
I've seen more P100s be the weakest link on the team than I have anyone else. It means nothing.
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Not necessarily, but that is more down to if your P100 is on a survivor or a killer.
If you have a P100 killer, you have likely spent a lot of time playing that killer, and learned every little trick in the book while getting to that point. Unless you have played a different killer, and just wanted to dump a lot of BP into another character for whatever reason.
But for the most part, a P100 killer is usually a good player.Survivors on the other hand is more a mixed bag. It all depends on the situation
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Absolutely not, prestige 100 just means that person has dedicated a decent amount of time on that character. While playtime CAN correlate with skill, is that always the case? no.
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Definitely no.
I have p100 trapper that I did for memes. Do I play him? No
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No. Not by a longshot. I have Billy on P100 and I still suck on some maps.
Prestige tells you nothing other than that a player really likes that character.
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