Can we please get more power diversity in future? (killers)

Hag and Trapper are not very popular to play. Several streamers are on record having a “No Hag” policy. If you were a company, and you wanted to sell new content, would you make a killer for a niche, minority audience?

I think the M1 killers need a specific buff, like basekit corrupt intervention, for your request to be viable.

Thing is, they have a history for being disasters, at least trap killers. Trapper has been buffed many times and still continues to be a joke, hag is just bad if the survivors are smarter than goldfish and her mechanics havent changed, she is probably the only one who itsnt really an issue aside from how weak she is.

And then you have Skull merchant, not only was she a release that saw negative reaction at first, unlike others of the like it never ended, the original iteration was competing against old legion for who could be more obnoxious to play against. Then bhvr invested time and resources on a rework, this money and dev time was absolutelly lost because her new rework didn't adress her issue (she was awful to play against). So now we are going for a third time wasting money and resources.

Bhvr I guess wont be making trap killer any time soon, the last one they did is by far the most hated character in the game, has wasted resources and development time and continues to prove a failure, its literally burning money so I dont think they would like to repeat the experience.

We had and have killers like that, let me list them and maybe you'll see a trend:

• Trapper
  • Killer whose power is about setting up a web of traps and forcing survivors to step in them instead of being directly anti-loop
• Hag
  • Similar to trapper
• Freddy
  • I'm talking the old one that had to put survivors to sleep, where it was about forcing the survivors into the dream world where he would slow the game down significantly, and the survivors had to work to wake themselves up.
• Pig
  • Survivors are forced to remove traps off their heads through alternate gameplay objectives
• Legion
  • Legion has the power that makes it very easy to injure survivors, but then is purely an m1 killer.
• Twins
  • It could be argued that victor is "anti-loop" but twins is more of a "swap and control 2 characters" type killer where you create scenarios where both halves of the killer work together
• Pinhead
  • Survivors have to find and look for the box, giving them an alternate objective. The other part of the power is partially anti-loop, but the true power of pinhead is in the box.
• Sadako
  • Sadako really doesn't have a "power" per se. She isn't really invisible, and has a heartbeat indicator. Her power is more about the map control and slowing the game down by forcing survivors to do tape runs, rather than directly interacting with the survivors. She's more about macro than micro gameplay
• Knight
  • Knight is actually similar to sadako. Generally you aren't using the knight's power to chase or down survivors, you are using it to make them waste time while you are able to conduct 2 "chases" at the same time, forcing more macro rather than micro gameplay
• Skull Merchant
  • Skull merchant was about setting up a web of drones then forcing survivors to run into those drones. The drones themselves aren't very good at anti-loop, like old legion, sure she might "eventually" down a survivor at a loop if they stay too long, but the amount of time that takes isn't going to win you the game. You need to play smart and break chases frequently and force surviors into your web.

Now, do you see the trend here? The killers that are not anti-loop, are basically the killers where survivors are forced to "not do gens". Now you could argue that pinhead and pig have somewhat of anti-loop powers. But their "true" power is actually their ability to slow the game down, by forcing survivors into an alternate objective.

So, what else do all these killers have in common? Other than pinhead, every single one of these killers is either horrible, or has been gutted and nerfed into oblivion, due to survivors complaining about them despite them not actually having that high of a win rate.

• Trapper is probably the worst killer in the game and BHVR has stated they want that by design since he is the killer "new players" will start with
• Hag was gutted when they just made it so survivors can just remove her traps whenever and she is STILL 110% killer, and on top of that survivors hate her "proxy camp" playstyle, the only reason she isn't complained about as much is because she isn't played as often as the others.
• Old freddy slowed the game down so much that survivors were better off waking up and then working on gens instead of just powering through and working on gens. Everyone HATED this and complained because "it slows the game down too much and its unfun". But freddy was more about slowing the game down rather than having a direct anti-loop power. But then, again, gutted
• Pig forces survivors to do a secondary objective, or just literally die. And again, she isn't very good, and has been nerfed constantly. Only recently has she gotten some buffs, but those have been in her stealth and chase power. The traps still do nothing if used at endgame because "reasons"
• Legion is constantly complained about as being unfun and annoying to play against survivors. And look what they are doing! Nerfing mending (the thing that allows legion to slow the game down and force survivors not to do gens) and buffing other aspects of the kit, which are going to make the chase ability a bit better, while nerfing the slowdown.
• Twins was going to get a rework that changed the slugging style and everyone complained about that one. Also, that rework was going to turn twins into, yet again, another anti-loop killer. The current one has to play tactially and slug survivors at the right times and pick them up at the right times, and twins is still probably on the chopping block for nerfs again given the nerfs coming to slugging, a core part of the killers identity.
• Pinhead is the only killer that hasn't been nerfed that still has this, and is one of the reasons why i play him so much. He is able to slow the game down passively because survivors have to look for that box, and if they don't, they are gonna have a bad time. But given that he was listed a while back as one of the killers getting changes, i suspect his nerfs are coming.
• Sadako has been reworked so many times now people barely know what she does. But her previous iteration, the one that added global stacks was great. It created real threat in the power, and force survivors to again, stop slamming gens as fast as possible, and work on a secondary objective. But we can't have that, so now all they have to do is slam the gens, take a 5 second break to pick up the tape when the TV turns on, and then keep slamming gens.
• Knight's in an interesting spot as well, because he is similar to pinhead in that his recent changes actually nerfed his chase power and made his map control power better. I suspect that he is a sleeper killer, and is similar to hag and not complained about simply due to how rare he is to face. But i think as time goes on, he is going to become more popular and get added to the chopping block.
• Skull merchant needs no explanation. Her last iteration before her intentional nerfs to make her useless was pretty good, just needed some slight tweaks. She is a victim of the "chess merchant" mentality because she came out during a time where that meta was strong, and her power synergized with that strategy. Now that there is the 8 kick limit, she has been nowhere near as oppresive. But again, she has a power that forces survivors to think about where they move rather than just simply dodging it, they must do a secondary objective to weaken it, again, staying off of generators. And look what she is being reworked into, a boring generic "dash" style killer.

Every time a killer comes out or is changed in a way that forces survivors to NOT DO GENS in order to counter the power, that killer is complained about until they are reworked and/or nerfed. If the power requires survivors to do anything other than "dodge left" or "dodge right" its some massive problem that needs to be nerfed for some reason.

Survivor mains only have themselves to blame for the anti-loop killers, and at this point, i don't actually know what killer they want to go against. Because survivors complain about most of these killers above, and also about anti-loop powers, and also about slugging, and also about tunneling, and also about slowing the game down. At this point i'm convinced they would only be happy playing against a perkless trapper that doesn't use his traps.

You see, the thing about everything you listed doesn't come down to the killer characters themselves; it comes down to the people PLAYING those killers.

All of those killers weren't meant or made with the intention to be "Anti-loop", they were made with the goal to get survivors to think outside the box and force another type of gameplay. (By your own admission.)

it was Players that saw the potential of being downright oppressive and made it mainstream knowledge about how Knight can down a survivor at a tile by having them caught by his power and then intercepting them moments after getting hit.

it was Players who saw the potential of Skull Merchant being the ultimate 3 Genner and made it mainstream knowledge.

It was Players who saw the DISGUSTING potential in HAG to be the most OBNOXIOUS killer and place traps at hooks rather than at a loop or a gen. (Hag is honestly not a good point to use considering i haven't had a problem with her since 2020, lol; but you get the gist.)

It was Players who saw the potential in LEGION to easily get Thanaphobia stacks and slow the game down IMMENSELY. (Which is the reason why Thanaphobia has been nerfed and reworked as many times as it has.)

It was Players who saw the potential in Twins to make them THE MOST OBNOXIOUS killer to date and use Charlotte to body block players while victor runs around the gremlin he is, revealing survivor locations by his growls; or even an extremely powerful slugging/camping duo.

It really has nothing to do with the killers and their powers, it has alot to do with players having zero moral code and choosing to play in ways that no doubtly will piss other people off, lmao.

(And yes, the same can be said for survivors; but this topic isn't about that.)