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Hot Take About tunneling
I feel like tunneling is over shamed as from the perspective of a survivor and killer main it shouldn't as shamed as it is. tunneling should be only be bad if you are targeting a survivor out of anger but even then there are some reasons as to why you should target a survivor anyways such as Having a Tool box for Sabotaging, Flashlight Save Builds, Etc anything that could severely contraindicatory towards a win
Now the question would be why would you want that as a survivor? well the main reason for that is because even if the killer is tunneling you that means the killer would only focus on you and comes down to skill level to survive enough time for your teammates to do gens. and I personally wouldn't mind being tunneled if it means the focus of the killer is not guarding generators and only on a certain survivor. I'm not saying I support the idea of tunneling in full and everything I'm trying to push the idea I'm trying to get it to not be as shamed as it is in the community as tunneling is something that can happen in the game which the devs have not changed (And if were to be changed then that's okay as well)
Version of Tunneling I do not Approve of:
Hook Camping(Basically like spawn killing )
Tunneling out then Choosing not to kill other survivors(that's just plain hate and nothing to do with actual gameplay)
Team Tunneling (Survivors deliberately help the killer tunnel you)
With that being said I hope I got my message across and it doesn't come off the wrong way and tell me what you guys think
Comments
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The game would be healthier from both perspectives if tunneling was removed. As it is now, it is used as a crutch. That isn't inherently a bad thing, but it can be when it negatively affects a large part of the community.
As I understand it, a good portion of Killers feel that tunneling is necessary to have a chance to win. My own feelings aside, they should want tunneling removed so that we can address those issues. Would it not be better if you could feel able to compete without tunneling someone out?
As Survivor, obviously, if tunneling was removed you wouldn't have these very frustrating games where you are hard focused out of having a decent match.
However, I do not think we can incentivize people to stop tunneling. The cat is out of the bag, so to speak. People understand that killing someone off is the BEST slowdown in the entire game and it isn't close.
That means whatever we do about tunneling needs to be a hard-stop ala anti-facecamp. Which also means we have to either be ready to jump on potential issues fast OR try to pre-address them in the same patch.
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I completely Agree with everything stated
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I would also agree with this, however, there's only one problem.
Say they remove tunneling, be it a survivor becomes immune from chase, invincible post unhook, whatever scenario. How long would it take to re-balance the game around it? Realistically speaking, and taking into consideration BHVR's timeframe for changes, killers would be stuck for a long time facing experienced survivors who would 100% attempt abusing whatever system is in place.
Me personally, I only see tunneling as a fine game plan around 1-2 gens left and I agree it's annoying at 4-5 gens and would love to see more incentive to swap between targets, but I fail to see a decent or equal tradeoff for killer side to contend aside just playing the top tier killers while more than half the roster, especially M1, suffer with no backup plan.
And I don't think basekit old BBQ for BP is going to be enough of an incentive gameplay wise, I've seen that suggested. Anyone who tunnels aggressively isn't doing it for BP.2 -
I agree with this as well as it would indeed be a very difficult thing to balance around so the idea of tunneling being removed is hardly ever going to be possible but I also think if it were to be removed in some magical change that wouldn't be a bad thing either whole idea of this post is saying it just shouldn't be shamed as its a almost unchangeable part of the game
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Well, it's a strategy that increases your chances of winning. There shouldn't be any shame associated with it. In this current game state, you're often giving up your chances of winning if you don't tunnel, or alternate hooks on just 2 people. And I don't see survivors saying, "Do gens slower so the killer can have more fun."
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I don't think it will seriously drop kill rates, personally.
But I did say that we either needed to pre-address potential issues or be ready to jump on them fast.
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Double post. ignore.
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I have a friend who says he gets tunneled every time the killer goes after him lol
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Putting aside the imbalance of the tools and effort required to counter it vs. the effort to do it — It's less illegal, more bad sportsmanship. It's not illegal in a sports game to insult the other team and call them names or say something disgusting about their mother. One could argue it's a strategy, it's "getting in their heads". Does that make it any less shameful to resort to that kind of strategy? I don't think so. I believe the game would be better without it 100%. Hooks need to be made more impactful.
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We've come to the point that we've lost the true meaning of Tunneling… I don't even know the real meaning of Tunneling
Also we've become more concerned about "winning" rather then anything else
If they were to change that then maybe just maybe things might change… but I doubt that will happen
And if we are bringing up scenarios then…. During the Ready-Up stage of MM the Killer sees 4 Toolboxes what then do they play it like normal and see 3-4 Gens pop while only getting 0-2 hooks or does the Killer "lightly Tunnel" (getting 1 Survivor to death hook)… I have those thought processes while waiting for the last Survivor to ready-up
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I'm not so sure. It would be neat to test, but it's not worth the strain on low tier killers, nor worth the amount of time to do such a test imo.
If it were to effect killrates, it would absolutely effect M1 killers and poor mobility killers more than others.1 -
According to others, low-tier Killers are borderline unplayable already.
Should we not try to help them? Should be not try to address an issue that is disguising a major problem?
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In case anyone needs a refresher on what tunneling ACTUALLY is, here you go.
Tunneling: Intentionally focusing down a survivor to kill them as fast as possible, often ignoring everyone else and sometimes even throwing the game in the process if there are no weak links in the team.
Tunneling: The killer doing a 180 to go back to the hook immediately after you're unhooked to find you and chase you down, repeating the process until you're dead.
Not tunneling: The killer finding you at the hook after you didn't run away, and the healthy survivor who unhooked you is nowhere to be seen.
Not tunneling: Finding and chasing you several minutes after not finding someone else long after you left the hook.
Not tunneling: Going after you again after having hooked someone else after your first hook.
Not tunneling: The killer deciding to chase you first at the beginning of the game.
Personally, I feel like it's very easy to tell the difference. You can easily tell if the killer is tunneling based on these simple rules.
For some reason, people will water down the term and make it lose its meaning because the game didn't go their way. This makes the conversation harder to have without people disagreeing because they might not realize that two parties are talking about different things while using the same word.
Before we can have a discussion about tunneling, we need to make sure everyone understands what it actually means.
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A lot of people who complain about tunneling have never actually played killer themselves, at least not enough to where they are consistently facing experienced survivors. Once you get to this level, it’ becomes much more difficult to win without tunneling, especially if you’re facing a team coordinating on comms. You’ll notice that the complainers who claim it’s easy to win without ever tunneling never show any proof that they’re able to do it themselves.
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Absolutely agreed, but how exactly do we go about that in a general sense that won't buff the already strong ones?
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Here's the thing people who complain about people complaining about tunneling won't tell you from someone with about 4K hours into Killer.
The number of teams you are playing against that would genuinely necessitate tunneling and/or camping is extremely low. People being better than you does not equal them only being able to be beaten via tunneling, it just means you aren't at the same skill level. This happens a lot in DBD due to the asymmetrical nature of the game and the…poor matchmaking.
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It’s not extremely low, in my experience. It depends a lot on when I’m playing. During peak evening times, I get matched against quite a lot of 3- and 4-man SWF teams and in some matches (certainly not all), the gens fly like nothing. I’m not a god level Nurse or Blight player and I would like to be able to have a chance to win using the killer I want to play and without using meta builds or super sweaty “unfun” tactics. I let the flow of the match determine whether or not I need to tunnel. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don’t.
If you’re able to consistently beat very good teams with 9, 10 or more hooks and never camping or tunneling, great for you. You’re probably a lot more skilled than a vast majority of players. At least you back up your opinions with your own experience. Many others here do not.-4
