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To All of Those Who Don't Think Anime Belongs In DbD

Member Posts: 2,879

I would like to know why. Genuinely I don't think I've seen anyone actually explain it. It's not like bringing in Tokyo Ghoul means something like Naruto is coming, which really doesn't belong in dbd. They may both be anime, but they're on different planets entirely. Seriously though, why doesn't it belong in dbd? What are the actual reasons behind it?

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  • Member Posts: 2,879

    I agree which is why I'm so confused that people think it doesn't belong because "it's an anime." I want them to tell us WHY that matters? It's a horror anime? I saw one person say because anime's can't have slashers, but like… says who?

  • Member Posts: 1,866

    I honestly think he fits in well enough. DBD has been more than slasher horror for awhile now.

    Plus, I can cope and hope for some much more out there collaborations now, like Project Moon related killers, or Siren if we wanna go obscure Ps2 horror.

  • Member Posts: 5,654

    How about Berserk… or Chainsaw Man… or Fullmetal Alchemist???

    It's more about how it fits rather then bringing in everything

  • Member Posts: 7,203

    The concept of a killer wanting to embody a fictional one is pretty interesting. Its just the execution here just isn't that great..

  • Member Posts: 2,612
    edited April 5

    Just to offer an alternate perspective without getting too deep in the weeds of horror, In my opinion, it revolves around the "horror hall of fame" identity BHVR always throw out in streams and wherever. People have vastly different opinions in the community of what horror is with some people having a very specific, rigid, solid definition in their mind of what horror is, the look of it, what emotions or feelings the characters and atmosphere evoke, respecting the tropes and techniques that go into making horror, and that it is classified in the horror genre regardless if the quality is good or bad. Then there's others who are much more liberal with their definition of horror, who are more open and receptive to licenses that push the boundary and even might be directly non-horror even. Heck, there are some that just want a cool character and don't care if it is horror or not.

    Anime is just one of those mediums that violates those expectations of the "horror hall of fame" crowd and is a sort of sore point/line in the sand when it comes to maintaining an definite identity and image of "horror hall of fame". But, It's like after AoT was added and R6 the precedent was set for just how non-horror related something can be and still be justified to be included in the game by the community (I.e. "it's just skins"). Ever since then BHVR has pushed those boundaries, as seen with the release with Lara and DnD, which have blurred the lines even more. I think that sits in the back of some player's minds as a reminder that you really never know what they will bring or just how far out of non-horror something might be.

    Maybe it's not Naruto, but is it really so unreasonable we could see JoJo, or Death Note, Demon Slayer, Hellsing, Full Metal, Evangelion? Considering some, if not all those titles have been in a BHVR official survey, I'm sure there's lots people who would love to see these titles added, and BHVR has recognized that. And if one gets in, well what's one more, and one more after that sort of thing. These all share dark themes, blood, death, horror elements, action, but does that inherently make them horror? and what if the MC is just a dude/dudette with a unique super power/quirk in a world with other people with powers/quirks? Is that horror when you have an ability/super power that helps fight back against enemies in that world, and even make lesser encounters trivial? I just think it mainly comes down to differences in expectations.

  • Member Posts: 596

    Ive been wondering why people instantly hate on anime without ever watching any of it. That hate is definitely the main factor for people not wanting it in dbd, they just don't like Anime as a whole and want nothing to do with it.

    Before i started watching anime all i saw of it were bits n pieces of stuff like naruto/sailor moon/ dragon ball z/ inu yasha and magical girl stuff and whatever. So i didnt think much it until i saw some clips of Highschool of the dead which is a horror zombie anime. After watching that i started watching alll the horror/gory animes like elfen lied/blood-c/attack on titan/mirai nikki/ akame ga kill, etc. Started to get really into anime in general and started watching the rest of the anime genres. So most of those people that hate on anime and think it doesnt belong in dbd have no idea anime has some of the goriest horror shows possible lol and they think of kaneki as someone from sailor moon.

  • Member Posts: 6,052

    I think most of it comes down to them thinking of anime as a genre, rather than a medium.
    The arguments I’ve seen seem to think that Shonen (and the other one starting with an H) are the only genres of anime out there.

  • Member Posts: 16,954

    I dont really think that you can say about anything that it would not belong in DBD. I think DBD as a Horror-games died with Nicolas Cage getting added (at the latest). With this, basically everything can be in DBD.

    And I think Anime in DBD is completely fine. However, I really dont like how it is implemented. I did not watch Tokyo Ghoul, but from what is added to DBD, I would probably not want to watch the Anime. So much screaming and IMO The Ghoul is pretty cringe as a Killer. As I said, constant screaming, very edgy and an absolute cringe Mori (in general I dont like over the top Moris like Ghouls or True Forms). So at least the implementation made me not want to watch the Anime ever.

    And in general, I like Anime, but not if it is added in such a cringe way like BHVR has been doing it. (Could also be the case that the implementation is very true to the Anime, but I would not know, since I never watched Tokyo Ghoul)

  • Member Posts: 879

    I didn't think Attack on Titan belonged in DBD either, but the collaboration happened anyway. So this isn't the first time anime stuff has been added to DBD…

  • Member Posts: 479

    Imagine if they introduced Hellsing as either a skin collab or bring in Alucard, Seras Victoria or Father Anderson in as an actual killers to DbD. Alucard's Eng VA is already voicing Dracula, so I could see him being a collab skin. (Though it's IP on IP, so it would never happen, but nice to think about.)

    Alucard would make a pretty awesome Slinger cosmetic and Anderson could be a good fit for Doctor. Seras could maybe fit Spirirt or maybe Skull Merchant, but im not overly sure.

  • Member Posts: 395

    Tokyo Ghoul is OP so now I hate anime. ;)

  • Member Posts: 1,673

    What, you don't like hearing the killer climax every time they get a hit? For shame

  • Member Posts: 1,656
    edited April 5

    In my opinion DnD is less fitting in DBD than Tokyo Ghoul, specially the two survivors (maybe that's the reason why nobody play them), but nobody claimed it. People who are not into anime simply hate anime for no reason or because they consider it a hobby of weirdos (I'm one of the anime enjoyersl).

  • Member Posts: 1,362
    edited April 5

    Hellsing would be the perfect example of "something that doesn't fit DbD". And it is one of my favorite animes.

  • Member Posts: 3,214

    From what I've heard from Tokyo Ghoul fans, the anime isn't a very good adaptation anyway. Apparently it does that odd thing where it spins off into its own story that's completely different from the source material of the manga. I saw many fans insisting the manga is a serious and mature psychological horror and the anime turned it into an edgy shonen with a silly plot. I haven't checked out either to verify for myself but I'm inclined to believe the passionate fans.

    Don't gotta hear Kaneki screaming in a book, at least.

  • Member Posts: 479

    How? It's an anime about killing N*zi vampires and zombies. Lots of blood, gore and elements of body horror. It'd be a good fit as a cosmetic collab at the very least.

  • Member Posts: 479

    Tokyo Ghoul was released in an era of when anime was being made from popular manga series that were unfinished, so the anime's with a small amount of input from the mangaka, would have to come up with their own little plot and meander around for a while and either wait for the manga to finish or just come up with it's own ending.

    TG was one of those anime's unfortunately, though that said, IIRC the anime does match up with the ending of the manga because the mangaka told them the gist of what was being planned for the ending of the overall story. So it's not a complete loss, but the manga is definitely better.

  • Member Posts: 479

    Oh, the irony of people who play a game, saying that anime is a "hobby of weirdos." When plenty of people think the same about those who play games.

  • Member Posts: 684

    I mean, horror anime exists. It's not MY style of horror but I'm not gonna begrudge having Kaneki in it.

  • Member Posts: 2,879

    People with that mentality never grew out of being a middle/high schooler and needing everyone to love them so they try to act cool.

  • Member Posts: 21,445

    Wouldn't translate in a way that would satisfy me, personally.

    It'd be sick if DBD was a game released in 2025 and did it, but they are handicapped by the engine and couldn't handle it, imo.

  • Member Posts: 479

    How would you feel if they made them their own killers instead of cosmetics? as I said, Alucard's VA is in the game as Dracula. How would you make the collab work?

  • Member Posts: 3,214

    I would legitimately enjoy a Death Note chapter. You could make an interesting mechanic out of Light Yagami running around with Ryuk, gathering pieces of the survivors' names to write them in the Death Note and kill them. It would probably have to be gated by hookstates and take significant time investment so he doesn't just delete everyone effortlessly, but I think it'd be really cool if his endgame was writing a name in the Note and 40 seconds later the survivor dies from a heart attack unless they can escape the trial first. There's potential in there.

    After all, Light Yagami is just a crazy serial killer, little different from any other killer in DbD.

  • Member Posts: 1,362
    edited April 6

    How? It's an anime about killing N*zi vampires and zombies […]

    Exactly. None of the characters you mentioned would have any reason to kill four innocent humans in the trials. In fact, their job is basically to hunt the kind of monsters that form the DbD killer roster. Lorewise speaking, they don't fit in the killer role. And they don't fit in the survivor role either for obvious reasons.

    For me, having them in DbD (even as cosmetics) fits in as much as having Goku in Fortnite jumping around and shooting people with a shotgun. But that's my opinion.

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  • Member Posts: 366

    Skull Merchant… Ugly?? Come now my friend, that could not be further from the truth lmao

  • Member Posts: 366

    Define "cringe". What doesn't work for you besides the screaming? I've never seen anything related to the IP but I do like the alternative vampire monster style that it's going for. The screaming feels no different than blight roars imo.

  • Member Posts: 479

    You…you know the entity could brainwash them into thinking that they're killing Silver Millenium members right??

  • Member Posts: 1,362
    edited April 6

    If you need a lazy written excuse for the character to make sense in the game, then that character didn't fit in the game to begin with. You just forced it.

    Also, just what people want: To have their favorite character in the game with his personality changed by "brainwashing" so they aren't the same character anymore.

  • Member Posts: 2,879

    I will say, Wraith has no reason to kill any survivors, Spirit has no reason to kill any survivors, Artist has no reason to kill any survivors, but they do anyways. Hell, in their lore 2 of those killers never killed anyone prior to the realm. It wouldn't be anything new for the devs to pull something like that since they seem to love doing that with their original killers and then just be like "yeah now they're either brainwashed or just super bad now that they're in the realm trying to kill everyone."

  • Member Posts: 3,214

    Those are all original characters that BHVR can make however they want. We're talking pre-existing characters that have fans who have expectations of who they are and how they should act.

  • Member Posts: 1,362
    edited April 6

    Wraith and Spirit are literally based on vengeful monsters so enraged they kill and destroy everything in their path. BHVR isn't the first to depict those entities like this. Artist follow the same philosophy, just not based in any myth or folklore, and it's an original design (as far as I know).

    But I'm not saying that BHVR didn't pull things like that in the past. What I'm saying is that if you need to change a character to the point of him being totally out of character so he fits in, not only did he not fit to begin with, but people are not going to like it as they are not even the same character anymore.

  • Member Posts: 378

    As someone not really interested in anime as a whole i think its due to his design like with the first impressions on SM and Trickster. To me tbh, he doesn't look scary nor intimidating at all but looking into the lore a little then i can see why he fits.

  • Member Posts: 361

    Because the world of DbD has its own setting. It's closer to cosmic horror and Stephen King, given the nature of the Entity and the way it shapes its playground for the trials, and how it breaks people it twists into Killers. It's a certain theme: humans caught in the web of some primordial being beyond their comprehension. If someone ever escapes the world of Entity, it can already be considered a good ending. Not a happy one though.

    I can't recall any anime series or manga that can fit in that universe. For example, Tokyo Ghoul doesn't fit in the setting because it doesn't overlap with any of the DbD themes. It has a lot of blood, and gore, and psychological themes, but that's it. The opponents are always very clear, they can be fought and taken down, and ghouls aren't some kind of sadistic monsters - they aren't any different from humans and it's their choices, not their food patterns, that define them. And the conclusion of the story is quite happy.

    I'm not even saying that by adding franchises that don't fit thematically (D&D, Alien, Resident Evil), the Entity now looks like a giant toddler mashing different plastic toys together.

  • Member Posts: 1,706
    edited April 7

    Dbd has a wide variety being the Smash Bros of horror that I love to check out the various sources materials. There's something for everybody. Some things weren't my initial first choices, but checking them out sure was fun. I was really surprised they added Japanese Ringu, for example. And now I think that was a keen choice.

    Checking out dbd source material is like, a quarter of the fun . Bhvr put in love and care integrating TG by making Kaneki an original sort of killer instead of using somebody from the show; these guys aren't trying to smash random junk in and call it a day.

  • Member Posts: 2,724
    edited April 7

    hey ease up on Naruto, it is scary! you try starring down the barrel of infinite tsukuyomi. The fate of the world is a serious issue, and horrifying. Naruto not scary?! Also hello shark killer:

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