When will killers stop tunneling??

In come the complaints about bad teammates (thanks to non-existent matchmaking still) wasting all hook counts while getting hard tunneled by the killer because they can't hold a chase for more than 10 seconds.

Well, from my own way outdated experience, survivor have never tried to encourage/support non tunneling killer and instead on a grand average not missed one chance to instead rub in their wins.

So while I quit the game instead of starting to play win oriented at all cost aka tunneling etc, I can't blame only the killer, except for the exclusive toxic ones.

When it stops being a viable strategy to win.

As soon as there's any reason not to tunnel. You're actively sabortaging yourself if you don't tunnel, most people including me don't see a reason to do that so they tunnel.

When multihooking actually has a reason to do it and isn't just a straight detriment to do. That's not to say that it will cure tunneling entirely, of course there will still be the people who do it anyway. But I can tell you from personal experience, killers don't want to tunnel, there's just no reason to do the alternative other than "playing fair".

Until the gap is closed between how survivor sided the game is in the 4v1 and how killer sided it is 3v1 and below. Killers will keep tunneling because it gets them into the favored numbers game quicker. Multihooking leaves them in the survivor favored numbers game for longer.

Never. As long as it remains by far the easiest way to win it will never go away.

Tunneling is not a bad habit. It's a valid tactic.

Why do entitled Survivor mains always think they can decide what's good or bad, or a valid tactic or not, for their opponent?

Is it a 'bad habit' for Survivors to try completing that 75% done gen? No?
Then why is it a 'bad habit' for Killers to go after the wounded, already-hooked Survivor for easy pressure?
Oh, right, because Survivors think 'my fun' is more important than their opponent winning.

Weird how that tired excuse never works in reverse. Survivors can 4-man SWF with 16 META perks and then say 'Git gud' to Killers.
But Killers winning in non-Survivor Approved™ ways? 'Bad habit!' and 'What about my fun?'

Also, playing Lightborn and Iron Grasp to avoid being shafted by Survivors is not a 'bad habit'. How entitled are you?
Is the Killer not allowed to counter anything Survivors do? Should he just walk to each pallet and allow a stun? Do you think he's a bot or a BHVR employee meant to give you BP?

Tunneling is not a bad habit. It's a valid tactic.

It's a bad habit if that's all the killer player knows how to do. Which, going by how many people claim you "have to" tunnel and camp every game, seems to be quite a few.

Something is only a "tactic" if you have options and, specifically, situations where you can use that to peak effect. And you generally want to change tactics in response to gameplay.

Something like "stealth" for survivors is a valid tactic, because there are times you do want to be hidden. But you shouldn't excessively use that one tactic, and you're intentionally switching tactics in response to your PVP opponent.

So, tunneling can be a tactic, and should be, but for an awful lot of people, it's the only way they play, and they never switch tactics, not by choice, circumstance, or even in response to other players gameplay.

And for people who only know how to camp and tunnel, yes. It's a bad habit that is preventing them from learning anything else, and from learning the fundamentals of gameplay.

Why do entitled Survivor mains always think they can decide what's good or bad, or a valid tactic or not, for their opponent?

Interesting choice, since this 9.0 patch is basically the nail in the coffin for stealth play.

I've been asking a similar question for years: since it's a primary function of the killer role to hunt survivors, why is stealth such a problem?

Because with this very patch, you have that sneaking, hiding, and stealth has basically been deleted and hard punished. And, I'll point out, by the "request of entitled killers" as you put it.

Now, I'd say the same thing here: that if stealth is the only tactic a survivor uses, then there's a problem. But we've already addressed distortion, and added an abandon option to prevent hostage situations. But even after all of that, deleting stealth is the option they went with.

So maybe you should ask why you think tunneling should get special treatment and still be the one and only way people are allowed to play every game, especially if it ruins the match for most everyone else.

Maybe give a reason to spread hooks? There is simply none right now.

Old BBQ did this very well…

Survivors also need to learn to use longer hook timer. I am usually more annoyed by my teammates than killer for tunneling. In most cases, it was caused by survivors imo.

It's a bad habit if that's all the killer player knows how to do

So, basically, if the Killer uses tactics to win, and never stops using tactics to win; It's a bad habit.
I never knew 'Trying to win' in a PvP game is considered bad.

Something is only a "tactic" if you have options and, specifically, situations where you can use that to peak effect. And you generally want to change tactics in response to gameplay.

Judging by how it works; It's being used to peak effect.
Oh right, but Survivors say otherwise. And since our Survivor Overlords have decided it's NOT being use effectively (even th ough they are complaining that it works); It's not a REAL tactic and is just a 'bad habit'.
And, last I checked, Killers don't tunnel 100% of the time, which means they ARE changing tactics as the game goes on.

So which is it?
Is it being used effectively, which Survivors whine about it killing them, so it's a tactic as per your definition?
Or is it NOT being used effectively, in which case Survivors should shut up and counter it?

Oh, right; It's whatever Survivors want, in order to whine it's too effective while telling Killers it's not a real tactic.
Schrodinger's Tactic.

Something like "stealth" for survivors is a valid tactic, because there are times you do want to be hidden. But you shouldn't excessively use that one tactic, and you're intentionally switching tactics in response to your PVP opponent.

And Killers don't tunnel every second of every game. Therefore they are switching tactics.

So, tunneling can be a tactic, and should be, but for an awful lot of people, it's the only way they play, and they never switch tactics, not by choice, circumstance, or even in response to other players gameplay.

So the tactic is flawed because some Killers don't improve, and thus it needs to be removed/nerfed for ALL Killers?

And for people who only know how to camp and tunnel, yes. It's a bad habit that is preventing them from learning anything else, and from learning the fundamentals of gameplay.

And those people never improve, and get wrecked by better players.
But sure; We should remove it or stop calling it a tactic because a small subset of Killers don't improve.

I've been asking a similar question for years: since it's a primary function of the killer role to hunt survivors, why is stealth such a problem?

Because stealth gameplay does not further the Survivor objective. Going immersive has been a meme for years, and even other Survivors have complained when they get an Immersed teammate who ignores gens.

Because with this very patch, you have that sneaking, hiding, and stealth has basically been deleted and hard punished. And, I'll point out, by the "request of entitled killers" as you put it.

And camping was nerfed at the request of Survivors.
And kicking gens was nerfed at the request of Survivors.
And Survivors were given specific anti-tunneling perks, only to whine that they 'don't want to play off-META' and said anti-tunneling should be basekit.
Oh yeah! Let's not forget Borrowed Time was essentially made basekit…and Survivors are complaining it's not enough.

Literally every time Survivors have malded about a Killer tactic, BHVR has given them a basekit counter. And yet they continue to whine that more needs to be done to handcuff Killers.
Don't play this way.
Don't play that way.
Only bad Killers do x, y or z.
X, y or z is not a valid tactic.
We want Killer vetos, because we don't want to see META Killers.

At this point, Survivors want Killer bots, but with a player tied down in their chair so they can taunt a human.

So maybe you should ask why you think tunneling should get special treatment and still be the one and only way people are allowed to play every game, especially if it ruins the match for most everyone else.

It's not 'special treatment'. Survivors were given basekit BT and then said 'Not good enough.' and pretend it's never been addressed.
Because Survivors want to win, and anything that Killers do against that is bad/unfun/not a tactic.

ROFL. Sure. Let's go for the most broken idea.

Now Survivors can bodyblock without fear! They have BT basekit and, if they go down, they get free DStrike!
The Killer has no choice but to hit them when they bodyblock (Which Survivors will screech is 'Tunneling'), and then has to leave them on the ground (Which they will complain is 'Slugging'). 😂

it's because for killers it's an issue of time where a killer just loses if they don't pressure survivors (mainly getting them out as quickly as possible) and this is also a side effect of nerfing gen regression into the dirt + adding 8 kick limit

Killers will stop tunneling the moment they are replaced by bots. Until then, there will always be killers that try to tunnel. Even if survivors got a base kit DS with infinite duration and 3 minutes stun time some Killers would still tunnel.

I'd probably do it just for the added challenge at that point.

First game back today after about 10 days. Face camped and tunneled. Twice. YouTube suddenly became very interesting.