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Should I not play Ghoul?
So when Ghoul came out, I immediately got him to prestige 6. I love Tokyo Ghoul. It was one of the first anime I watched and have quite a few a good chunk of the manga as well. Kaneki for a long time, was also one of my favorite protagonist so seeing him in Dead by Daylight and being able to play as him is a dream come true.
At first, I had no problem playing him even after the widespread hate against him, and being considered an unfair killer. For a good bit, I haven't touched him because I do feel a bit guilty given how unfun he is to play against, but I do want to play him.
On the one hand, I do know someone will probably tell me I should do what I want. Its a character I love and want to play, plus I obviously paid for them, but on the other hand I'll be told I shouldn't touch the character at all. That I should wait for the next set if adjustments before playing again.
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It's purely up to you if you decide if you care about survivors fun
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Despite all the salty comments about Ghoul on the forum, I legitimately don't mind playing against him as a survivor. There are many killers that I dislike playing against a whole lot more. I think that while there's a very vocal contigent of people who dislike him as a killer, it's not as much of the player base as you would expect given the state of these forums.
So yeah, I think you should play him if he makes you happy as a character. I'll take a Ghoul over the Animatronic any day.
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It's purely up to you if you want to play the Ghoul, just don't be surprised when the survivors give you salt for playing a killer that has the freest hit in the game, with nearly the best mobility, and Chuckie's scamper.
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You paid for it, do what you want
You don't gotta feel guilty for it.
The only advice I'd give is be a good sport/don't be a sore winner. Just good advice in general though not specific to Ghoul.
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Ghoul is overtuned and really really annoying
But he's not an auto-win if survivors don't give up. If survivors can beat Nurse and Blight (Which they can), they can beat Ghoul. His counterplay is just really unintuitive and kinda lame.
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Well, friend, it is up to you.
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It does matter, because it means that by default both sides have a chance to win. Sure many Ghoul players bring 4 slowdowns and all the other annoying stuff but both sides do that it happens sometimes.
It is in the game and OP wants to play it, so they can. It's that simple.
Nobody can tell them otherwise. Not every Ghoul game is a sweatfest- It's just a predominant playstyle that his power enables; much like Blight's and Nurse's do.
Nowhere have I said other people don't matter, I even said in my post be a good sport and not a sore winner but you can't please everyone and you certainly shouldn't gatekeep yourself from playing content you bought just because of factors out of your control.
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this hypothetical situation in the context of this thread implies the ghoul is an autowin which is objectively not true.
in any case I'd be blaming developers and a terrible game design, as a sensible person should always do, especially when it comes to survivors who are immune to being blamed for running things :)
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for the record, survivors will lose to a decent nurse or blight 70% of the time at a minimum. High mmr nurses/blights who play to win do not lose often.
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No yeah I don't disagree with that part, but I wouldn't go as far as to call them 'auto-wins' if you get me.
tbh the notion that casual players should intentionally gatekeep themselves from playing characters even if they might enjoy them a lot just irks me.
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Before 4% adjustment half of my games were people killing themselves on the hook because I was playing Pyramidhead. Many people don't like him as well, cause he has a free tunnel opportunity. Even if I don't use it lol. Or keep it until like 2 gens left, so they always have potential for a comeback.
Now people either DC now, or, with what I’m happy, they are at least trying to play. Tbh I never understood the reason to DC just because you hate Killer. Or put your emotions on the person who was playing them. Same with killers. Bully squads are bully squads, that’s part of their charm even if I don't find it fun facing against them. Just accept the challenge and try your best! Who knows, maybe later you will destroy the killer/sfw you hate with all of your heart. Balance don’t let do this usually, but when my phenomenal efforts were actually worthy I really love DBD in such moments.
Their frustration shouldn't make you give up on playing a character you genuinely love. Doesn't matter who are u playing. If you don't play him by slug and hard tunnelling, or using meta perks in 100% of your games, no reason to hate you
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Play what you enjoy playing. I'm going to keep playing ghoul and so far i've had 0 DCs or give ups. Maybe because i play fair?
People will always find a killer to complain about. Blight, Nurse, Ghoul, probably the new skullmerchant whenever she comes. People DC against pig because they don't like the hat mechanic, or get ambushed by the stealth.
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you have no obligation to entertain anyone, play as you like with who you want
people in this community tend to have a major skill issue and not just against ghoul
do not let anyone tell u who to play and who to not play.
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u just discribed mft against almost any m1 killer before the nerf that took 6 months and that chapter was original so anyone had access to it
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Enjoy him while you can cause he will be inevitably nerfed and or reworked
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do what’s fun and enjoy it while you can. Life’s short, it’s a video game, it will maybe get balanced eventually. Most things do if it’s unbalanced enough on a grand scale or receives enough complaints.
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MFT was awful, but I would still rather play against survivors with old MFT as killer than play against Ghoul as a survivor. I also definitely 4ked more against survivors with MFT than I have escaped against Ghoul… I actually can't remember the last time I escaped against Ghoul.
I know that for a fact because I did play a ton of killer during the MFT era and generally enjoyed the experience. But Ghoul is making me not want to play anymore. If my options are either play Survivor with a high chance of having to play against Ghoul, or wait 5-10 minutes as Killer because Ghoul drove off a huge portion of the survivor playerbase… I'm just going to go play something else.
To OP: You can play Ghoul, but you should probably be advocating for them to tone down some of his more ridiculous aspects, like how he literally has old Scamper.
That's what I did when they added Dracula, which for me as a massive Castlevania fan was a dream come true. I was heavily opposed to the massive buff they gave his shapeshift speed because I knew it would make him feel terrible and oppressive to play against. I was happy when they nerfed it into the much more reasonable state it's in now.
I am also a huge Alien fan and I advocated for them nerfing the tail due to how absolutely stupid it was when the killer launched.
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Ghoul is literally not even that strong compared to Blight, people just hate mobility killers and anime.
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Play who you want and play how you want.
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If you like char why not?
But he is a bit buggy now/
If you move left or right while not holding w you will stuck in place while leap.0 -
I would say it depends, if you like to play against Ghoul, or not.
If you don't mind to deal with him as survivor, then play him. Otherwise don't do what you don't want others do to you…3 -
You said it yourself: just play him if you like him.
People in this game always find something they don't like, no matter if it's perks, maps, addons, items or strategies - in the end you should play what you want and makes fun for you, I mean you don't play this game to make other people have fun but for you to have fun xD
(Of course you should probably expect a few people to be slightly unkind then, but that's nothing new. Besides that I find it really funny to get insulted in dbd, some people are really creative xD)
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My personal stance on it man is... play him. It's very important that you do to objectively assess and really understand the strength of the character. More importantly, it let's you see what survivors do against him and make an honest assessment of how much of the hatred against him is justified or just salt.
Gaining a lot of experience with the character and really understanding him, means you can effectively argue for or against any proposed changes to the killer... However if you don't play him, and let the mob have their way with him, you get a Skull Merchant situation.
Personally, I would say if the Ghoul didn't stop me in place on his vault, I would have much less hatred for him. A Ghoul who out Kagune Leaps me at a tile is fair enough... maybe still annoying like Blight, but at least took skill to do.
What annoys me is I can't leave tile because his leaps cut me off, and often I can't stay at tile because of his vault not only being very fast, but also stopping me still as well. I can't leave tile and I can't stay at tile... but I also can't say if this a good change because I don't play Ghoul...
I tend to think with his absurd mobility, free injuries, and fast Wesker vault, with some Blightesk cut off potential, he should still be plenty good without the hinder... but I am not 100% sure.
So... play him and be the well informed voice that cares about both the killer and survivor experience.
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My personal preferences aside or how I feel about him - play what you want. You paid for the game/character/etc the same as everyone else so if you enjoy him, play him.
It's ultimately BHVR's responsibility to balance/design him, not yours to self moderate the content you play based on other people's expectations. People will criticise you regardless, may as well enjoy the game.
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If you feel that quilty playing him why not play him as m1 killer. That survivors find most fun to play agains't usually. But I don't find him that annoying as survivor he is loopable but most won't bother to try. Looped one ghoul just 2+ minutes yesterday and my team did only 2 gens barely and then went down in seconds... Im bit biased too as he is my new main killer and well that's why I know how to play agains't him.
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Play whoever you like. It's your game. You can run whatever perk, addon, literally anything BHVR offers available to you in game. Your opponents will run anything they want vs you and not care so why wouldn't you do it back lol. Were all here to game and have fun.
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You play whomever you want to play. You paid your money for this game. You paid for the Ghoul. You're entitled to play him or anyone else in Dbd as much as you like.
No killer is universally loved. There's always some people out there whom dislike a killer, even the popular ones. You can't please everyone.
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If you feel guilty go play perkless Trapper for awhile to wash that feeling away.
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I have personally only played against the ghoul once and it was definitely that full stop that made it feel bad for me. I'm not sure how good the person was at ghoul but they were cutting off areas, using power to stay close, etc... it felt like a lot of things didn't matter for me, like gaining distance for example. But the only thing that actually felt horrible was that full motion stop. If that was gone and I could just take my hit and keep on trucking it would've felt better. Even if it meant the ghoul could just take off as well.
To the op:
You should play whatever character you want. I often feel bad for playing some characters and so when I do I will sometimes dial back the aggressiveness or something. To try and make it a little more fun for the other side.
At the end of the day, it's up to the devs to try and change things that best suit the player base. If no one plays the character then no one will know what needs to change. So it's kind of a service to play them how you enjoy and if people see or have problems with it they can then be vocal about it.
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Yeah play what you want, if you don't want the hate to be placed on you, you have anonymous mode too which is nice.
You didn't make him this way, did you, so it's more on BHVR lol-1 -
I don't hate anime, in fact I was enthusiastic about Ghoul's inclusion because of it opening the door to new IPs. I even went out and bought several volumes of the manga to read about him.
It's about how annoying the killer feels to play against, not power.
Blight is definitely stronger than Ghoul, but is way less annoying to play against for a lot of reasons.
He doesn't get free injuries, he has to respect all of the rules of the game. If you drop a pallet, he has to play around it. If you vault a window, he has to play around it. He doesn't make you mend.
If I drop a pallet vs Ghoul and actually make him break it, then unless there's another pallet really close by, I may not make it to anything. He will just use Kagune Leap to pull himself right next to me and down me.
If I drop a pallet vs Blight, he has to break it unless it's an unsafe pallet. He will also likely catch up to me before I make it to anything, but he has to use Blight's power to bounce off of walls to get to me. I can try to make him overshoot by hugging terrain to make it difficult for him to hit me and put him into fatigue. It likely won't work, but the counterplay is there, which there just isn't against Ghoul.
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Obviously you can play however you want to play with whomever you want to play as. Everyone is different. While it’s ultimately on the devs for allowing certain things to be allowed in the game, I do think there is an always personal responsibility. For example, during the busted MFT era, I stopped using it once I realized how broken it was. Did everyone else stop? Absolutely not. But I did, because a part of me knew deep down that it wasn’t fair. Whether ghoul is fair or not is very controversial, I personally would like for killrates to come out to help define that question. I have my experiences, sure, but I like to see the evidence before committing fully.
I would probably just ask yourself this. Are you having second thoughts about playing him because many people just don’t like facing him? Or are you having second thoughts about playing him because you yourself don’t enjoy facing him?
Either way, you’re not doing anything wrong. Gliyn!
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Play who you want. Kaneki isn't even particularly unfun to face, and he's certainly not unfair. Survivor players are just used to being able to get the same value holding one button as they would learning how to actually loop, and Kaneki punishes them for it.
Three or four years ago, Kaneki wouldn't have had nearly as many complaints because the survivors were way better at the game and actually wanted to loop. It's just because so many veterans left and the game has been made easier for the new players taking their place.
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It certainly doesn't help that the loudest voices tend to get heard first. Personally, I'm glad BHVR isn't rushing to nerf him, like they did with release Vecna and Chuckey. But unfortunately, his not being omega nerfed into the ground like Skerchant seems to be upsetting a lot of people. Especially the people with bad-faith arguments.
Honestly, people are free to dislike Kaneki, but they aren't free to harass people who play him.
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I hate going against Ghoul myself. But how many Survivors will use 4 second chance or chase Perks with MedKits with Syringed or Stypic's?
Or gen builds with BNP's to make fast gens even faster.
If you feel like playing him, play him. He's unfun to go against, but so are Swf with those things listed above.
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Im at the same problem only Rize was my favorite from the anime. Ive since prestiged her to 100, but ive probably played her a total of 15 times since release. When i do play her though i tend to just go all out like normal but try not to kill anybody with a 3rd hook, and just let em go if they seemed miserable enough or finnish em off if they were more of an unhappy bully squad lol. But either way i am playing her very rarely and waiting to see what changes, just like skull merchant, who i can now freely play since the hate shifted to kaneki and shes supposedly easy to win against for now.
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Honestly I feel pretty much the same way as you OP. He's fun to play but can feel oppressive given how he can be pretty much everywhere at once unless you get an indoor map. I generally try and let survivors knock out a few gens before I start actually killing anyone but it's really hard to not accidentally get there way early with him. Bouncing between survivors is just too fast. It's also fun, which I suppose is the dilemma.
Every match is a battle of attrition for the Survivors but it doesn't necessarily feel that way as much it does in Ghoul matches. I can't really advise you on what to do as that's up to you but for me I just try and keep an eye on how many gens have popped and go break a few walls or pallets if it seems like I'm steamrolling them. Honestly I've went and stood in the corner a few times to give them some catch up/reset time but that is admittedly a little boring.
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You shouldn't let other people's views on the killer tarnish your fun and willingness to play him, even if he does need to be changed.
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Why do people keep saying that Ghoul has scamper? You can just not throw the pallet if they have their tentacles out, or not move away from the pallet/window if they've already leapt once.
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