Being penalized for getting tunneled

Did they re-enable the system?

If that's the case, here is my message to BHVR.

GET THIS THING AWAY FOREVER.

"you can lose really quickly if you don't use any one of a huge mix of perks, many of which are available for free" is bad, but it's nowhere near as bad as "you get told you're so bad that you might get banned for trolling, for the game for not using a perk locked behind a character you need to pay real money for." comparing the two just feels massively out of touch

This makes me a little dubious on even bothering to queue up as survivor if that's true. As a solo queue player I've seen my share of steam rolls and if I'm going to get some warning just because I've had a bad match then I just won't bother queuing unless I can get in as killer.

DELETE THIS SYSTEM. NOBODY ASKED FOR IT AND NOBODY WANTS IT.

Preventing self unhooks did more than enough to prevent go nexting.

The automated system is a terrible idea, as even 1 erroneously flagged innocent player is 1 too many and as we've seen the system is not capable of differentiating between going next and legitimate gameplay.

Just retire it entirely. No one wants or needs an auto ban system.

They're seriously still wasting time on this stupid system? Removing self unhooks was all that was needed. Please focus on detecting and banning cheaters. I could not give less of a ######### about banning people rage quitting if they are already forced to eat a DC penalty or throw themselves at the killer.

Wow, they actually brought back this horrible system? I've said multiple times there is no way for this system to work properly. If they absolutely must have it in place, they can at least wait for the anti-tunneling and anti-slugging measures to go live.

But seriously, there's no need for this system. Don't the devs have data showing how much less rage quitting there's been since the anti-self-unhook feature?

you guys never should’ve re enabled the go next penalty in the first place, I don’t know who’s genius idea at BHVR it was for this to be implemented again. This game is a hot mess.

Yes…and my belief is that these steamrolls (or even the potential for steamrolls) is the biggest factor in Survivors giving up in the first place. Even the ones who are downed and hooked within sixty seconds are aware that this could result in a steamroll, thus they give up.

I believe I did see that comment. I haven't really noticed a difference either. I still get days where I die in every single match except the last one (which is typically a hatch escape). And when I finally escape a match against a Killer who just turns out to have a single Tier 1 perk, I actually feel bad.

My job here is to advocate for the wants and needs of the community

I do appreciate that, but I'd like to point out, there's a random pole in loading screens and meanwhile BHVR is trying to code a system to detect player intent.

It really creates the impression that priorities are severely misaligned. With how many issues there have been with this patch it seems really strange that a generally hated idea was given a second go at the same time.

There's a few problems with this

1: Lots of coding and checks. This eats up resources and creates the problem for things to go wrong.

2: Penalizing people for playing "bad". Example: the idea of running into the killer after an unhook. New players do this accidently because they haven't learned yet to keep track of the killer when they're out of sight (and with stealth killers it can happen to anyone), so you are risking penalizing people for just not being good at the game yet.

3: Many of these things have reasons that they are done under certain circumstances. Take the example of vaulting multiple times, this can be done on a loop when a killer is near, so now you need another check for the distance of the killer to the survivor. Or doing nothing for an extended period of time, hiding out Corrupt is a strategy people attempt, and in soloq I've been in games where we're all just running around trying to find each other to heal.

Or your example you listed about jumping in a locker. You try to list reasons a player might do this, but miss that jumping in a locker if you think the killer is going to slug is the right tactic because now they have to grab you and drop you, taking more time (even if they are more than 5 meters away, because what if you don't have another locker to loop to).

Or not running away after an injury. What if I'm intentionally trying to take chase, or at a strong loop, or body blocking for someone being tunneled?

Even if you manage to somehow solve all of that, you still have two more problems.

1: Easily avoidable. In trying to only catch people doing this for certain, you make it so that these things could be avoided. Take running to a hook, what if they run around the hook? You certainly just can't penalize people for being downed near a hook, they're all over the place, so what if the survivor just runs around the hook, or stops slightly outside where ever the detection zone is?

2: Needing to accumulate throw points before a penalty destroys the system. Other than bot accounts, which are mainly on killer auto-swinging, its unlikely players who throw do it every game. They throw if they don't like the killer, the map, a bad start, etc, but frequently they are playing the trial out. So throw points are going to accumulate very slowly.

Its not worth it to spend a ton of time on this system, that would create potential for new problems, to occasionally give a bad actor a slight DC penalty.

Basically - sophisticated systems sound better in theory then they work in practice. DbD is a complex game where which action is correct is incredibly situational, so trying to write code to evaluate that is nigh on impossible (and that's on top of new players who might just do many of these things by accident). Either you end up with a system that is too strict, in which case innocent parties are caught up in it, or its too lenient, in which case it has almost no point and took a lot of time.

As I've said on a different thread, I really hope they scrap this system. It has no redeeming qualities.