Punishing killers for completing their objective?

didn’t want this either. Really didn’t. But the moment you play something weak, people stop respecting you. You’re not even the killer in that match anymore. People chase with me to the hook. People farm their teammates right in front of me, just because they want to keep the pressure on their side: time efficiency for survivors, u know? No one on their team ever has to leave a gen. And then two gens pop -> because the guy in chase already farmed, so nobody else on the team had to ‘waste time,’ and I lose so much pressure because of that. And now I’m not allowed to get that pressure back by tunneling?

And what about the person who tries to sabotage the hook right in my face -> if I manage to stop them, one person is hooked, another is slugged next to it, clearly bad plays, down-next-to-hook situation… and I as killer ‘amn’t allowed?’ Out of jail card for what?

Or take my Nurse match in that video on page 1… people don’t even respect Nurse anymore. That Yun literally tried to go for a flashy save on my very first down on Alucard (they were ALL swarming me, hello, I’m a Nurse?). Felix was there with a flashbang, Claudette ALSO there with a toolbox to sabotage the hook if needed. But yipp, I’m supposed to give that group their fun time with me when I’m playing a normal M1 killer – and then not even be allowed to slug or tunnel? Sabo, flashbangs, double Background Player, and the whole team stacked right on top of me just to deny the first hook.

I mean, luckily I was Nurse that game. I could do Nurse things. :D But… why am I the one who’s supposed to be punished as killer, and not the survivors? Bad positioning, all grouped around the killer, the WHOLE team, the killer has insane snowball potential there, and he KNOWS no one is on gens – but the killer isn’t supposed to tunnel? not to slug?

That’s supposed to be the punishment for those high-risk survivor plays when they fail. Not some ‘I get out for free’ card.

… I honestly hate this community by now. That’s why it’s not even hard for me to go all in with the current state of the game. Any lobby, whatever, especially with the next updates. Why no punishments for insta-unhooks? For chasing to the hook? For running greedy right in front of the killer? I mean, how many downs do you think you should get… especially against SWF, where two people run chase builds and the other two support builds with Shoulder, Babysitter, Reassurance, whatever… and someone literally decides to chase me, the killer, during the FIRST chase just so their teammate with the support perk doesn’t get targeted, or to set up Deliverance or whatever… hard bodyblocking me already in chase one. That guy farms his mate instantly, but I’m not supposed to tunnel? Even though the dude who just farmed clearly isn’t doing gens right now.

I just come from a different time. Back when I started DBD, you usually had ONE chase. One chance

Uhm… but… but… I was new once too. Like the survs that are xrying all the time now.

Sure, back then we had boosted maps, omega loops, infinites, all the good stuff, but when I was completely new, you think it was any different for me than for new players now? I also didn’t know how to use the things on map properly. I was just new. Like many players today.

And back then there was old Nurse, no recharge, with omega range addons, Huntress with multiple insta-down hatchets, red Moris and old facecamping (like real facecamping). You knew you often had only this ONE chance. And then: direct facecamp, insta Mori, and you are out. There was insta-saw Billy. Sure, there were old brand new parts, the old hatch, but still situation was: one chase… one chance. Then RIP.

And as new player, you also didn’t know instantly how to use old omega structures. Killer was threat back then. So you learned game. Not by super stealth (I never was uch into stealth), but by thinking about your positioning, your movement, your camera control, your overall gamesense. Not 'I stay until last second on gen, killer coming'… not 'I never learn how to use pallets/windows/resources around me'. Back then you had to, more than today, where more second chances exist.

Sure, old DS existed, active without hook, but only obsession got insta DS. Others had to wiggle first. Killer knew, and dropped you on way to hook. So yes, back then often many matches: one chance and you out. Versus Nurse no recharge + omega range addons, old insta saw Billy (I miss him <3), or Huntress with multiple one-shot hatchets. Like I said, one attempt, one chase. That’s it.

You didn’t have so many second chances as today. Sure, survivor back then was boosted like crazy. But you were new, everyone was new, everyone had to learn first. And you learned. Because if not, many matches you went down once, one-shot, insta out. And only after you learned you realized what you actually had: boosted tiles, boosted items, old insta heals, old insta blinds, old exhaustion perks… but before that, you went through hard school against stronger killers than today.

And even when you started to understand maps, the tools you had… then things like prayer beads Spirit came into game. You had to deal with positioning, develop gamesense. How many people today have hundreds or thousands of hours and still don’t use what they have?

…but at the end of the day it’s always the same: ‘BHVR pls, we played super bad but now we want our freebies

And? That’s always been the game. Learn it. Learn to chase. Hold the tunnel. Buy your team time. If an opponent on equal skill tunnels you: take the fight. Fight back. Especially when a bad killer tunnels a bad survivor — that survivor learns a lot about the map, the resources they have, and how to actually use them.

That’s literally how everyone started out in DBD. Back then I even ran the old Object of Obsession for a long time — where killer and survivor could see each other permanently, no cooldown. And yup, I went down. I went down a lot. But I kept going down until I finally learned how not to, how to extend a chase, how to improve.

Getting better is part of PvP games. Staying stuck in the ‘but that’s not fair’ mindset, refusing to improve, and then demanding changes from your own unwillingness to learn

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I don't care if they really want to focus on addressing tunneling, and I care even less about addressing slugging. But these anti-tunnel changes are anti-tunnel in name only. They're anti-playing-the-game-normally, arbitrarily.

I guess if I were to try and address/disincentivize hardcore tunneling (and ranged camping, or edge cases like the library hook in RPD, since the proxy system isn't perfect either) without completely breaking the game, my first idea would be to try something like introducing survivor-controlled hook teleports. Once a match, you as the hooked survivor can choose to teleport yourself to a different hook on the map (first and struggle, or only struggle? would have to be decided). We can keep elusive and the unhook notification removal to help make the teleport work as a counter to tunneling. Would that be a perfect system by itself? Nah, can already think of a few issues, especially the most glaring one being how much it would change how killer map pressure strategy works. I think it'd be a solid enough base to work off of though, and it's a mechanic that we've already seen before with Pyramid Head & 2v8, except in this case it'd actually be a direct benefit to survivors like it's supposed to be.

But no, instead, ######### you for killing that survivor at the BHVR mandated wrong time.

Thanks for this.. really. I don’t want to play “am I allowed to?” roulette every chase—I want to play the game. I’m not going to intentionally ignore value the other side creates. Let me do my killer job without the morality pop quiz of “is this too mean to secure the down?”
“Nah, still not enough red boxes —guess I’m not allowed yet… .. oh but .. this person is playin clearly dump right now.. very sexy snack in the open.. wait, now I am? Lemme check the HUD first.”

If a squad swarms first hook with BP/flashies/sabo and takes high-risk plays, I should be allowed to punish that. Don’t ask killers to play with blinders on. Cause → effect. You gamble, I cash it in.

Thats the game.

They can, and they will. I’ll still play the way I play under the new rules. And I hope a lot of killers follow — swaps to top killers included. Plenty feel the same: never had an issue with tunneling before, but with these changes? We adapt. We min-max the meta. Expect more Nurse/Blight.

Not every surv is bad ..

plenty of survivors actually enjoy a direct tunnel. The tunneled one gets the most interaction—the chase, first pick of resources, control of the opening. Meanwhile teammates are on M1 duty. The next person in rotation inherits fewer tiles—sometimes straight dead zones. That’s way less fun than being first in the tunnel.

I didn’t say anything else—I just want to punish their mistakes: bad pathing, bad movement, bad reads, or straight-up greedy plays. I want to be the Killer, and I’m not doing that by playing blind or dumb.