So erm.. in next patch, if Killer lose 3 Gens for just one down, the match's basically over?

Tbh the gen bonus speed probably wouldnt matter that much if you kill a person at 1 gen.

You can dan Camp the 2nd survivor if you get a hook at end game collapse.

To be fair, there's a middle-ground between "free 4k" and "guaranteed loss". Neither of those should be a thing.

Imagine this;

You play fair and try to spread your hooks, the Survivors are putting up a fight but the match isn't a curbstomp either. By the time one gen is left, 3 Survivors have been hooked once and one is on 2nd hook (or any variant of 5 hooks & 0 kills) and they got themselves in a tight 3-gen. This is a kind of situation that isn't that uncommon in matches where both sides are somewhat equally matched and the Killer didn't just decide at 5 gens that the first guy hooked wouldn't get more than 8k BP.

You can't hook and kill the Survivor on 2nd hook yet, otherwise the remaining Survivors get a gen-speed boost and there's only one gen left.

If you hook one of the other Survivors in your 3-gen (which means that they will likely be in sight so the HUD misinformation won't do anything, and it's another thing that shouldn't go through to live) and you can't completely prevent an unhook (either because of playing a weaker Killer or the Survivors simply being coordinated and/or good) then you have little choice;

Hit the unhooker? They'll zoom in an empty corner of the map and by the time you catch/down and hook them, the last gen could be done.

Go after the unhooked Survivor? You can, but not only is it harder (no scratch marks/noise/blood/aura due to Elusive) but if you do get them quick then you lose gen slowdown (as the wording in the patch note doesn't say the loss of regression & gen-block is tied to hook states, only the gen-speed boost is tied to killing a Survivor at 6 or less hook states. The loss of regression & gen-block is tied to a Survivor dying after being hooked twice in a row.) and even if only 3 Survivors remain (more than enough if 1 or 2 gens are left) then there's no way to slow down gens and Survivors can simply do the gens bit by bit and pre-run safely since their progress is permanent and the Killer can't afford to stray too far from the 3-gen. It's a lose-lose situation and those should never happen on either side (which is why, among many other reasons, the first try at basekit Unbreakable was rejected almost unanimously by the community).

Sure, the top-tiers could deal with it, but we're trying to keep variety in the game. Lack of variety is one of the reasons (among others) why every other assyms around DBD dies.

In short, while the idea is noble, the execution is clumsy and heavy-handed and doesn't account for situations where "tunnelling" is objectively the best option but isn't done maliciously or so early that the player spent as much time in lobby than in game (as quite frankly, tunnelling at 5 gens isn't "necessary", very effective sure, but not necessary.)

Players don't mind getting tunnelled in endgame that much, it's understandable at that point even if it's obviously not pleasant. Players want to be able to play the game longer than the time they spent in lobby. If the "Anti-tunnel" measures deactivated after 3 gens are done then it wouldn't be as bad since at 2 gens remaining and 5-6 hooks & no kills, the game is tight but not yet lost for either side even for mid-low tiers Killers.

It's a similar reason why so many people object to basekit Unbreakable; it creates lose-lose situations and it doesn't only address the most common and annoying cases of slugging, which is slugging the last two to avoid Hatch and team-slugging/bleedouts. If "basekit Unbreakable" only kicked-in in certain situations (if only 2 Survivors are left or everyone is slugged at once, both of those being the worst kinds of slugging) then there would be way less backlash against it.

The core ideas aren't bad, but the numbers and executions are crucial to determine if it will do more harm than good. The PTB and Live release will show us how much effort and thought were put in those mechanics. There's also the perk changes (currently unknown) that will likely affect this to some extent.

Correct, my bad.

Although, it doesn't change that if you tunnel at that point and the Survivor dies, then you lose all ability to regress/block gens, which is still overkill.

Still, the point stands: at that point in the game, tunnelling is understandable since it's a tight game and everyone had their chance to play an almost full game.

Oh I agree that there's some overreacting going on, but there's a lot of valid and nuanced worries around.

Honestly, it's not just "Killer mains" that are against this (or at least against some parts of these changes, like myself am not a Killer main, nor a Survivor main, and thinks that parts of those changes are flawed) lots of people that aren't Killer mains are skeptical of these changes due to how much they'll change the game's flow and how much the mid-low tiers Killers will be way more affected. Even Survivor mains don't want to see nothing but high-tiers.

And quite frankly, with how much anti-tunnel and anti-slugging has been requested since day 1, I doubt that BHVR will back off that much unless there's some major backlash (like review-bombing and playerbase freefalling stuff). This is happening, but the community has to be loud and clear enough to make those measures only affect the worst cases without affecting normal gameplay as much as possible.

nor do they want to have their MMR tanked

This is such a bad argument. MMR is nothing which should be the goal of the game, MMR is not what players should aim for. MMR is in the game for matchmaking purposes and nothing more, it is no prize or anything. Losing MMR is also not a bad thing or anything.

And I would argue that people who heavily rely on tunneling already are at a too high MMR, because it is very easy to play the game when you tunnel as Killer and more Kills means more MMR-gain means stronger opponents. You can basically tunnel your way through higher MMRs until you face teams which are so good and actually deserve to be at that MMR, who will wipe the floor with you.

OPs example is perfect for this - if you lose 3 Gens in your first chase (which btw. does not mean that the game is lost, because you cannot see any Gen as equally important, but I know that this is something which people just dont understand), this means you have spent more than 90 seconds in that one chase. And considering that the average Chase time PER Survivor (not per Chase, per Survivor) is 70 seconds, if you spend 90 seconds to down one Survivor, you are clearly not good enough for the MMR you are on, which you only inflated with tunneling in the first place. (to repeat - 70 seconds average Chase Time per Survivor is downing a Survivor 3 times… so spending 90 seconds for one down is very bad)

I know I get Downvotes for this, because the truth is hard. But come on, people can at least try to think sometimes.

losing 2-3 gens in the first chase is not an uncommon event

The point isn't that it is best answer, but the fact that with all of the stacking preventions and punishments for killers that tunnel (which is IMO NOT merely hooking the same survivor back to back. If you go to the other side of the map and do a generator, then we meet up later, I am not tunneling you even if I haven't managed to hook someone else in the meantime but oh wait apparently I am tunneling you according to BHVR now) means that survivors will absolutely be able to abuse the F out of this. While I would never do so on live servers (I am a Killer main) I have many horrendous ideas of how to do so on the PTB for testing purposes.

You will be literally able to complete generators in the killer's face and they can't stop you. Slug you? You get right back up. Hook you again? They just hooked you back to back, they get punished. Actually kill you? Major punishment for the rest of the match (sure you are out of the game, but especially if you are with that dreaded 4 man SWF, that's fine… you're helping your friends even in death.) So, they just have to let you do the generator.

Fear-Mongering non sense. Not only does the slugging timer take 90 seconds to activate every down takes an additional 30.8 seconds to get your self back up. If for some reason you can only find the same person over and over slug them kick the gen and find the next player? Trust me this is not viable strategy for survivors to win lol... Waste 90 seconds on the ground to then waste 30 seconds each down as the killer has a what 2-3 second attack animation? Terrible trade off run infections fright after downing some one to reveal their friends. You need less slow down perks and information perks with the buffs you getting from the update.

or you're playing Trapper and need time setting up.