DS 5 second buff; No toxic stuff please; discussion only.

Completely negating a perk? you mean like a Hex perk getting totalled 2 seconds into the match because a survivor spawned next to it?

Sucks doesn't it.

Killers just have to wait 60 seconds after an unhook to avoid ds. No tunnel, no problem.

Go for the unhooker, not the unhookee. Played a lot of killer games since the plagues release and I haven't had a problem with ds at all.

I don’t have a problem with the stun time being increased now that DS is more situational.

It's a 2.28 second stun when all is said and done.

Well hag can easily replace them and she also knows when they get burned and how is that any different than running over them to trigger them? Wait till she's in a chase then run across every trap in sight.

Traps also respawn insanely fast even without running Hangman's and most Wraiths run Lightborn if they see a flashlight in lobby. Also both Nurse and wraiths just look away so it's not as easy.

If I was BHVR, here's what I'll do to the perk!

Decisive Strike:

Using whatever is at hand, you stab at your aggressor in an ultimate attempt to escape. After being unhooked or unhooking yourself, Decisive Strike will become active and usable for 10/15/20 seconds. The timer will be paused while in a chase or in the dying state. While Decisive Strike is active, when grabbed by the Killer, succeed a Skill Check to automatically fill the wiggle meter to 100%.

• Succeeding or failing the Skill Check will disable Decisive Strike.
• Successfully stunning the Killer will result in you becoming the Obsession.

Notice that I said "fill the wiggle meter", this means you wiggled free and NOT stunned the killer. Therefore, Enduring won't affect Decisive Strike because wiggling free stuns aren't affected by Enduring. Furthermore, if I'm correct, I think wiggling free is a 2 or 3 second stun so it also nerfs the survivors head start.

Now, the timer was a problem because it was too long for an anti-tunnel timer. Survivors including myself would use the extended timer and perform risky plays when it's supposed to prevent tunneling. My changes makes the timer serve one purpose, namely, to protect the survivor while they are being tunneled.

This is funny lmao. So many people wanted this and now so many people don’t (it’s technically only 4 seconds of get away time, 1 second is spent getting off the shoulder) it was a necessary buff imo. If you’re so afraid of it, run enduring. That’s a pretty good perk to run in the first place anyways.

Or

get this

d o n t t u n n e l

as a killer, Ive have no decisive strikes hit me during actual games because I simply don’t tunnel. No fun for the other living human being. At most, I’ll hit someone down from the hook on accident when they were saved right next to me and I just leave them. Why don’t more people do this with the new ds buff? Or just in general? It forces another survivor to get off a gen and come heal while you chase one. Only a single gen getting done during this if they care about altruism.

This is inaccurate.

The perk also looks worse to you OP at low ranks because those survivors don't know how to capitalize on what it gives you. Higher ranks don't have this problem.

Firstly, let's get this out of the way. Tunneling while not fun for the survivor, is the most effective choice for the killer. It's like the killer telling survivors not to do gens and that they should switch to a different gen every 25%. Focusing a gen down is just like focusing a survivor down, it's the smartest thing to do. You're wanting the killer to play stupid and do the least optimal choice. 1 survivor out of the game is easier than 4 and downing a survivor with 1 hit is easier than another that needs 2.

With that said, I don't tunnel myself. My issue with DS is that it isn't punishing ONLY tunnelers. If it did just punish tunnelers I wouldn't mind these changes.

When you get down to 2 or 3 survivors you are going to get hit with this inevitably even if you aren't tunneling simply because of the 60 second duration. This perk is supposed to be an anti tunnel perk, not a 60 second immunity perk. You can down someone else, hook them and then still come across the previous survivor again with that DS still active. That isn't tunneling but I'm getting punished.

The killer can also just be looking for survivors and happen to run into that same survivor again and that isn't tunneling, he just happened to run into them. That's punishing the killer that didn't tunnel again.

Now there's also running Enduring. There's already too many required perks for killers just to function at a base level and we don't need another one added to that.

Last response is to simply slug them. I find this interesting as a response as survivors NEVER want killers to slug and it's hated vehemently by the survivor only community. Also, this is just highly unreliable as a counter. Not only is there a multitude of anti slug perks for survivors to ruin this entirely, but slugging isn't always reliable to begin with. You are pushing for pressure and risking gaining nothing from that down.

I'd rather them make the perk deactivate as soon as a different survivor is downed. This means you weren't tunneled and survivors still get to keep the stronger version of their anti tunnel perk. This also means the killers that aren't tunneling won't get punished from the situations I listed.

Another option is to simply lower the duration to 40 seconds. I think that would be long enough to counter a tunnel but short enough to not punish killers that weren't tunneling.

Once again missing my point entirely.

It did effect DS before they said it did the devs are just stupid and thought they could pull a fast one to look smart.

Which takes 15 seconds at least and you could still be found and imagine that, not one of you comes to the forums and WHINES when it gives you time.

You don't come and WHINE when you get kills because of it or when it stays up most if not all of the trial.

It's high risk high reward yet you can only complain when the risk doesn't pay off but when it does it's absolute silence.

The height of hypocrisy.

Really not a fan of this being buffed because its not actually an anti tunnel perk, its a 60 second immunity perk.

Had a game where a guy unhooked in my face, down the guy he unhooked, hit the rescuer twice and hook him, go back to the downed unhook, boom DS.

I didnt tunnel and I still got screwed by it, not a well designed perk, it should go away if the killer hooks someone else.