Every Game is Just Hook Trade & Tunnel – The Game is Falling Apart

What does the number of hooks have to do with the hatch?

The hatch apears after 3K. That's the rule. So if 2 still alive = not hatch, no "abuse".

I understand that Clown is good NOW.

He was not good when the streak was completed over two years ago.

you could look at nemesis, Twins, onryo or Bubba too

Now the highest survivor SWF streak was like 200

I mean you can argue it is. If the max winstreak form one side is 1900 and the other side is 253 then you can extrapolate a few things from this. One something is very wrong with the killer in question in this case blight. And to a lesser extent a 1000 winstreak nurse and a 600 winstreak oni. Or the role has inherent advantages resulting in the peak level of play for both sides having horrible unbalanced highs which means most likely the lows for each sides are much lower and the median is lower. Which we can see even in high MMR I believe a swf averages 43% escape rate but it drops lower for each tier of play. Another conclusion would be that certain people exist that exhibit super human levels of play that can't be matched or seen in other competitive type of games as you won't find winstreaks like that anywhere on the planet not is fps strategy games like chess or RTS like SC or games with a sports theme like rocket League or fifa

so balance is definitely out of whack so who knows if it's balanced around top tier players but that would explain how some killers get the streaks they do since those SWFs are incredibly rare

I don't like when people cite winstreaks when discussing balance, so many factors (time of day, playstyle, MMR, or the random gamble of getting 1000 bad teams in a row) can change everything.

It's the uncertainty that's the issue, the fact of the matter is that we know in a match with comp rules(which heavily favor the Trapper) that Trapper can never hope to get anything more than a 2k.

Wait, so spreading out is gen rushing? Even without perks or toolboxes? They're just doing the objective. You getting caught in 90s+ chase isn't being gen rushed, it's you blowing it.

But if you use that first version, with builds included, how often do you see a team fully stacked with gen perks or BNPs? Not often? Basically never? Now how often do you see tunneling? Not every game, but far more than the gensquad.

And basekit gen regress was exactly what was proposed in the patch.

• Killing efficiently bad, doing gens good
• Everything is tunneling, genrushing is just a niche build. (Bet 3 peeps with boxes but 1 without isnt genrush lol)
• Genrush is just doing the objective, tunneling is not
• Delay hatch bad, delay egc good (both being disadvantageous gamestates)
• Long chases killer skill issue, short chases killer op, toxic stragey etc

Did i miss some?

Wait a minute...what?? That is insane. Killer goes for the unhooker, downs him and hooks him and starts chasing the unhooked and you call that TUNNELING?? He ignored the unhooked, chased and hooked rhe unhooker so fast, that your trails are still visible?? And you call that "tunneling"? That's entitlement galore. So the killer is not allowed to go for the unhooked and not for the unhooker? So what is the killer supposed to do?

Oh yeah, because if the killer isn't applying enough pressure giving us time to do gens then we should just run around aimlessly instead of doing the only objective at hand and wait around to get killed killed. Gen-rushing is almost nonexistent, I'm sorry to tell you. I'm not going to say "skill issue" because I'm generous enough to actually consider people have the skill, but I'm pretty sure if generators are popping, you aren't doing something right.

I'm saying the unhooker goes down at the feet of the unhooked. A trade. No chase. That gives the only unhooked a few seconds of space. You'll catch up to them almost immediately, you just don't have to count to ten anymore.

And yeah, I guess i think people are "entitled" to a moment to reorientate because I don't do it as killer. Unless that person does something stupid like try to sabo or hop right back on a gen instead of leaving, I just go after someone else while they run off to heal.

So your unhooker was already injured? Or do you asume every killer can insta down?

And no, they should be on the edge of their seat, ready to react right awaya after the unhook. All this baby caring sucks. I already hated it, when they came up with "invu frames" until the survivor gained control. Now they are even got extra protection with Endurance and for crying out loud: is it true, that the Devs removed the grab option while unhooking??

If that happens to you regularly… you might consider… just maybe… survivors play STUPID!

But you can't ask for safety nets for every bad gameplay decision. If someone of the team is making a bad play, the team takes consequences, one way or another. But you ask to take away th killers chance to benefit from their mistake. Is that fair for killer? It's like I would ask, that a random survivor is teleported on a hook, when all gens pop, before I got a K. Killer do not get extra chances, why do survivors get them?

The PTR changes need to happen and they needed to happen YESTERDAY. So many killers are just tunneling and proxy camping AND HAVE BEEN FOR YEARS.

Anti-camp is joke. Solo Q has always been awful. Killers have a steady and ridiculous power creep with every new killer release. The devs simply do not care because plenty of people will buy their killers for the opportunity to play a one-sided game. I have not given this company money in 7 years and will not be doing so again because they cater to the lowest form of human life. The game is bad because it’s designed to be bad for 4 people and a power trip for 1. And I say this as a killer main.