The end of surviviors and what we can do to avoid it

I was wondering about the killer ban, because jesus I hate Knight so much, despite he's quite weak. I find no fun or interaction in either hold w 30s against bot or getting sandwiched by bot and Knight to the point where you just get hit or downed no matter what. At least with the 3x debbufer to guard despawn if Knight is close you don't get two tapped as much anymore.

On the other hand, this would make Kaneki, Nurse (strongest) or Knight, Trickster (most boring to verse) wait forever in queues, which is not fair imo.

Killer with add on lv 2 above is usually OP enough, it's would only depend how dumb they are and how obsolete the killer.
And whoever trying to kill survivors on this birthday mode is loser. Unless they play trappers.
Killer who can summon - hidden - 1 hit is absolute terror

Again, comes with it being a competitive game. Doesn't help DBD is very unintuitive. And there's still plenty of people that goof off even past a few hundred hours in the game. The game is only as miserable as you make it for yourself. I get quick games aren't all that fun, but you're not getting downed by a Blight in 20 seconds and tunneled out every game. Even against a good Blight, you're rarely getting a game like that unless you're running into the killer on purpose. I'm not going to argue about edge cases.

I can tell you from having nearly 1k hours on survivor and over that on killer, people with that insane amount of hours aren't Gods, they're not on auto-pilot, and most of the time they play like an average player. The people quitting in my lobbies or throwing are usually the thousand hour survivors, too. Everyone fears the p100 8k hour survivor SWF but I'm 100% more afraid of the adepting Nic Cage with far less hours.

You can be goofy and be good at the game as well. Even while learning. JRM is a perfect, and funny, example of that.

I don't even agree with OP here but hes right that its not the hardest right now. The farther you go back in the games history the harder it gets overall for every killer. Infinites in every map, single perks defining metas (on survivor's who each have 4 perks), old flashlights/medkits, maps were WAYYY worse, lots of killers were much weaker, etc.

Also, Nightlight is a pretty small sample size, I use it for a general feel of things but you can't rely on it's kill rates or pickrates. Every time BHVR releases stats Nightlight is always way off. If I compare my killer games to Nightlight rates I'd look way better than I am lol.

I will agree you can't really nerf tunneling or slugging though. If you nerf either because of stronger killers being able to pull it off easier, then 35 other killers suffer greatly and become even worse than they are now.

people wont listen to this

i just avoided the game due to how little survivors get but killers get an entire year for events or preplan for springtrap

but we cant have a full survivor bloodmoon event without a killer ruining that since halloween 2023

tunneling is not the issue since we got perks to counteract this, (even if shoulder got gutted before it got to show its potentional)
they need to buff slugging perks as strong as tunneling perks, if not more since they should be killing via hooks, not slugging people on the floor for 4 minutes

I'm torn on it. While sure it's an imperfect system, I think that it's a good bit of data to listen to. If the majority of players choose not to play against 2 or 3 Killers, they can look into why that is. The issue is that the solution tends to be heavy buffs or heavy nerfs that feel haphazard at best, followed by another heavy buff/nerf that undoes all of it.

DBD is the hardest for killers it has been in years.

I don't think so because the learning curve as Killer in Deathgarden was really hard!

God, I miss that game.

SWF's do, not every SWF is a try hard comp team, plus the official stats make it clear it's not a terribly huge advantage in the wider scope of things. Not to mention not everything thats off putting about this game is balance related.

Survivors in general need listened to right now:
-We need the visuals improved (animations/terrible shoulder rigs etc) lets look at how lazy they did the DS animation, or the new Springtrap axe removal. It looks awful.
-Current event gives survivors nothing on the caliber of remote hook/remote pallet break
-We are only JUST recieving a new item 9 years in
-every new perk concept barely gets any love/meaningful new additions (Boons/Invocations/Teamwork)
-every event is ruined by some stupid killer combo allowed (Lights out Legion, lights out would have been so much better if killers couldnt use powers and operated more like skins with an event specific power like survivors)
-MMR is encouraging terrible playstyles

Idk saying one set of players can't have an opinion is an awful take.

Instead of arguing and trying to nullify someones opinion, listening is okay too. A lot of this is why I don't play as much right now and my friends.

It's not about justifying you as killer, you're playing lots and are happy. You're just trying to say people's opinions aren't valid.

My points aren't necessarily aimed at you but in reference to the thread in general as to why survivors are playing less. I personally want to play more killer but as OP states, EU killer queue times are annoying when I have time to play. We seem to be more aware than the other regions over the state of the current balance.

It's not game balance. Playing survivor is just getting really boring. The base moveset hasn't changed for years, and perks are more balanced than they used to be. So they're less impactful, meaning they're less interesting to use.

Learning counterplay to new killers isn't enough to keep survivor feeling fresh. Especially when new killers have similar powers to others that already exist.

The survivor role needs something new added to it. Some sort of basekit mechanic that adds an additional layer to gameplay. Something that a whole new wave of perks could be built around. The perk pool has gotten to big for a game that has so few basekit mechanics.

If you implement these ideas, survivor queues will jump to about 20 minutes.

Maybe. But can you honestly say that they'll do it quickly enough? Or effectively enough? Behavior takes forever to get anything out of the door. It'd take them 3-6 months to "watch and observe," and another 6-12 months to formulate and implement any buffs to killers. By then, killers would have left the game en masse, survivor queues would have jumped to obscene levels in between the sweatiest Nurse/Blight matches imaginable, driving away many survivor players, and the game would essentially be dead.

If you don't believe me, look at Skull Merchant. She's been effectively removed from the game for ten months, and all we have to show for it is a handful of Microsoft Paint concept art. They've barely even started reworking her power, despite nuking a character (and skins) that people paid good money for.

That's the problem with the whole "we'll just buff killers later as needed" mindset. Behavior is too slow. If you make sweeping changes that makes the killer role miserable to play, they'll just leave. Behavior was this close to killing their game prior to 6.1.0, but managed to pull an emergency ace out of their sleeve at the last minute. And survivors STILL to this day whine about 0.3 seconds off of pallet breaks and blade wipe animations.

Honestly, I'm worried that Behavior is going to screw the pooch with Phase 2 of the QoL changes. They need to tread very carefully.