Seriously… why nerf Tenacity like THIS?

Gatzechen · September 24

What’s the point? Who was asking for this? Out of all the perks in the game, Tenacity was not a problem. It wasn’t meta, it wasn’t broken, it wasn’t ruining anyone’s matches — and yet somehow it gets gutted? Why?

The whole identity of Tenacity was being able to crawl and recover at the same time. That’s literally what made the perk worth using. It gave you some options, some creativity, and at least a reason to pair it with stuff like Flip-Flop, Power Struggle, or even Unbreakable. Now? That’s all dead. Flip-Flop is basically a joke at this point. You’ve destroyed an entire build that wasn’t even strong in the first place.

Like honestly, why remove crawling while recovering? What does this even achieve? Nobody was crying about Tenacity being too strong. Was it really hurting the game so badly that it had to be gutted into irrelevance?

I can live with the other nerfs, fine, whatever. But this one? This makes ZERO sense. You’ve taken a perk that was fun, unique, and situational, and turned it into trash for absolutely no reason. Please revert this change. 🙏

Alen_Starkly · September 24

I agree, I don't understand why they went through with this nerf. This perk has never been even close to being meta. Second of all, not only have the survivors lost the promised anti-slug from the PTB, but now they also lost a perk that helped mitigate the slugging. Even though it was hard to get value in the first place.

And also, if I heard correctly, Off the Record no longer offers Endurance?? Even though survivors lost the promised anti-tunnel from the PTB?

So:

anti-slug fell through, and on top of that an anti-slug perk (Tenacity) got gutted
anti-tunnel fell through, and on top of that an anti-tunnel perk (Off the Record) got gutted(?)
the new killer is insanely overpowered, making the survivor role much more miserable.

BHVR, what on Earth are you doing? No-one's gonna want to play survivor anymore…

Ohyakno · September 24

They probably already had it recoded and didn't want to revert it in order to not lose the work.

Which is silly. Just revert it.

Ohyakno · September 24

https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4005660#Comment_4005660

While the change is ridiculous, let's be real. Nobody ran tenacity. It was a very very situational perk. They should have just added the new effects onto the old.

Gatzechen · September 24

https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4005666#Comment_4005666

I even made a whole reddit post about this and a lot of people agreed. I dunno what you mean by "Nobody ran it." But yeah it IS a ridiculous change.

KolbyKolbyKolby · September 24

https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4005666#Comment_4005666

I absolutely run Tenacity, it's one of my favorites. In fact, every person in the group I play with except one person runs it. It's like 58th most popular on nightlight if you take those stats seriously, which isn't the most popular but around halfway down the list. To say no one uses it is a pretty bold overstatement compared to something like the useless teamwork perks or invocations.

UndeddJester · September 24

https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4005666#Comment_4005666

Brother, it was legit my favourite perk, and is criminally underrated.

Have you ever played against a Tenacity survivor? If you take longer than 15 seconds slugging, you have a pretty good chance to lose your slug completely, and that Survibor isnt slowed down, they've been recovering that entire time and are well on their way to getting picked up, so Survivor downtime is drastically reduced. This is a set of advantages that Unbreakable doesn't have.

You can also crawl away from walls underneath killers as they try to pick you up, and that will often mess up smart killers who try to face walls to avoid flashies and force them to check the area. I've legit had moments where I've bought 10 extra seconds or more just from crawling under a killers FOV, which ahs meant the difference of a pain res or a grim embrace block.

Combine it with Plot Twist, and you have a pretty decent little self heal that you can do while on the move to another objective while also being very hard to see/hear.... with some very unique properties that are surprisingly versatile... and you can also use it again at end game to prepare for gate.

Tenacity is a great perk, and I always miss it when I dont have it. I really want the old version back 🥺

Ohyakno · September 25

https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4005736#Comment_4005736

I rarely slug long enough as killer to notice it and on survivor I'm apparently the only person in the world that doesn't get slugged long enough for it to matter.

I'll concede that it's more popular than I thought.

Mandy · September 25

Thanks for your feedback around this folks, we can confirm that the ability to crawl and recover at the same time with Tenacity perk will be back in a future update (sorry not exact ETA that I can share at the present time).