Yeah, Pallet Changes Are Ass

Their brains.

I think people forget this is a PvP game and not a PvE game. Survivor has been pure ass to play a long time with survivors always having an incentive to play the game and killer queues being longer. In 2v8, you can't even play killer without being forced to play miserable ass survivor. Let's not forget that.

I don't see how reducing dead zones can be viewed as a wrong. But this is dead by daylight I always forget.

If good killers can win thousands without ever losing, why can't survivors?

I don't know why survivors are satisfied with losing when killers are entitled to winning most of the time. My complaint is survivors should be able to drastically increase their win rates with skill when killers can with less. The balance has never fit usual PvP games.

I know it's very frustrating when a survivor is outplaying a killer. That's bad and obviously requires fixing.

The current pallet density on a lot of maps basically makes it so that every 50/50 or equivalent mindgame is massively in the survivor's favor because if they win one, they get the implied safety of like 2-3 adjacent tiles on top of the safety they would normally get at the tile they're already at.

And that's without dropping the pallet…because even if they do drop the pallet and the killer kicks it, that just means they can, again, just go to the safety of the 2-3 other adjacent pallets without any real path planning. And repeat the process until 5 gens are done (except in solo queue ha). Keep in mind this is also ignoring exhaustion (+ vigil)/endurance/vault perks that exist that provide an even larger safety net and might discourage the killer from even initiating a chase…because really what is the killer going to accomplish by chasing someone that Sprint Bursts into the middle of a 4+ pallet square every single time they find them?

Basically unless the killer player is playing a killer that simply does not give a ######### about pallets, which is what this update highly encourages them to do, they're kinda cooked when they get a team that knows how to be even remotely time efficient.

If a few people can break the game, anyone can. I don't think we should minimize it a few people are exceptions.

If survivors require high precision team effort, why is information hidden from survivors and gifted to killers? Why is voice not a central primary feature in the game? Why are survivors scored individually instead of team performance?

I really think killers, like yourself, want the game like it is. It feeds into an ego to enter a match as one person to have a significant game breaking advantage over FOUR individual players.

So we're all on board with nerfing the S tier killers that powercrept old maps so hard we needed this update right? Because 3 of them were released in the last year so someone needs to get through to BHVR to stop doing that and bring them in line with the majority of the roster. Otherwise what you're saying is its perfectly fine that killers get to stomp every match because they choose one of the 5-6 busted overpowered killers. If we "fix" the maps for muh poor M1 Trapper who doesn't use his power, the 1k winstreaks will continue unabated.

Also yet another thread completely ignoring all the changes to maps that were killer sided in this update. Main buildings nerfed. Maps shrunk. Strong jungle gyms replaced with new trash gyms. None of that helped killers? So another update where we revert everything good for survivors and leave everything good for killers? does that sound about right??

What I see is many safe zones can be looped without thinking or sone higher brain use its just hold W predrop go nex loop scenario which doesnt save you against stronger killers but can be time consuming for m1 killers because their best way to outplay loops is creating 50/50 situation and most times they need bloodlust for this but survivor can in these safe zones choose to run to next safe loop tile and if killer doesnt break the one before its easy to return there and run the killer for few gens using this strategy, killers with some solid antiloop like blight,nemesis,springtrap,pyramidhead,chucky can deal with this if they hit their powers but killer like blight can get throgh this safe zone faster than bubba and thats killer that forces you to drop psletts.

Yh and which killer has that winstreak? S-tier-Killer like Nurse laugh about this little pallet update. Those killer would need to be nerfed, those pallets just hurt weaker killer.

And survivor can do insane stuff too. The world-record-escape is now under 2:30. All gens done and the killer was trying his best and it was high mmr. That team destroyed killer left and right until they got their WR-record.

If survivor do winstreaks they also use restrictions. They dont allow perk repeats and also not the best items. They have still high streaks and they have it harder. They need to schedule game-sessions with four players, a killer just needs to play.

Generally? Yes

There are some maps where its overtuned, but we've had 6 months of maps where there were basically no pallets at all.

And this is why I am honestly all for the anti-slug anti-tunnel patch as they presented. It would reduce the strength of all killers, including the big 5, and from that point you start buffing all other killers.

I still have to encounter or play a killer where I would be like "if the patch was implemented, I would have lost". In fact, on many of them I would have been able to win. There were some edge cases where it might have screwed someone over, but that was maybe 1 game every 30 games played. That's not that many, considering killers win about 25 out of 30 games

I would have been fine with the anti-tunnel measures, but only if they reduced the threshold from 6 hooks to 4.

Sometimes its gg from few minutes in the game for one side but I had more games where I hooked new survivor and didnt tunnel (I had to in some when few gens were left because of preasure) from the start and if I had unique hook bonus I could win 12 which was good but in current DBD if you dont use tunneling when you have few hooks on 1-2 gens left yeah its gg unless you tunnel.

Hex blood favor is good but it cna be cleansed in first minute of the match as many hex perks share this fate so its strong chase perk with huge rng factor, 20 seconds is funny number if you get good survivors which can loop on safe place like jungle gym or some rock loop leading to shack then you will be good if the chase will end with down in next 30-40 seconds but all depends on perks, skillf of both survivor and killer, which killer and what kind of loop.

If my comment its very long for you in short version many chase perks are only good on certain killers with certain builds and most usefull for me on average is bamboozle and brutal, there are better perks that cover time lost in chase on gen deffence or in endgame which are more powerfull them most chase perks. Hex spawn places are kinda meh if its not swamp map or some super hidden place on larrys which arent common spawn places and for me like half of the matches survivors spawn on or very close to my ruin which wont last long and its easily countered so yeah by effect its probably strongest chase perk (more on killers that can catch up fast like spirit,blight) but its not guarantee to get these yours 10 seconds chase not to mention windows exist and some can buy survivor enought time to survive the palett block effect so thats why bamboozle and brutal are better overall they last whole match and bamboozle can destroy strong loops like shack or jungle gyms in 10 seconds just block the window palett must go down and survivor is foeced to run to next loop and this will work most of the times compare to the hazzard factor of having hex.

Hope reading my comment didnt took you long time from your weekend so enjoy the rest and take care.

As horrible as the changes are in a really funny way I've been having a hell of a time with Freddy. Because of the sheer amount of pallets it's also upped the potential spawns massively too, so some maps like the swamp basically allow you to place down 8 dream pallets right off the bat which is nuts.

My crackpot theory is that pallets were increased so they can be reduced again. Likely to be worse than they were before.

I alternated between killer and survivor Saturday afternoon to get an idea of the pallet changes from both sides. I obviously didnt get all the maps but of the ones I did, it was really only Father Campbell's Chapel that I felt a noticeable difference on. I got that one as survivor and the killer seemed to have a rough go of it.

yup. I’ve been trying to play some m1 killers, and even as a vet (since release) killer main, some of these maps have so many safe pallets that there is genuinely nothing I can do. Even with corrupt and brutal, it’s not possible to end chases fast enough to apply any type of pressure.

Survivors know it too. I’ve been getting nonstop map offerings to Macmillan. After some particularly frustrating matches, I threw blight back on and called it a night.

Without any exaggeration, I’d say 80-85% of my games, survivors brought Macmillan. Some of the swfs tonight would bring ormond, Macmillan, autohaven simultaneously.

a higher chance of getting to these now busted maps is all it is. Lol

I found, in the offerings loading screen, if you hover your cursor above the secret offerings, it’ll prompt it and tell you what it is. Lol

Guessing it’s a bug.

I see that sometimes when I play killer. People bring Ormond or MacMillan offerings