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Why doesn't Killer get to abandon?
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I think their motive behind not adding an abandon scenario for this is that you can just force the survivor out, and if you get lucky, might even make them backflip or front flip away from the exit if they're not careful.
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true but my point is the argument of "we need a bot if the killer abandons so survivors can do hatch challenges and other end game stuff" is redundant because this situation of instant match ending already exists. 2 v 1 being perfect example where 2 survivors both know they cant do gens especially if they are close together. they hide or do gens very very slowly…10min later…abandon, match over….technically after 10min it could trigger egc but it doesnt. it just ends the match if killer decides to do that.
If survivors want certain challenges such as hatch, totems or whatever else, they wouldnt be waiting at the gate would they? someone going for hatch escape is going to be near a hatch spawn, not the gates. The proposed abandon option for killers is when ALL remaining survivors are at the gate, not hooked, not slugged, not roaming around for the hatch, not in the middle of the map doing a totem. even challenges like escape however many times, why wait at the gate when the challenge is escape? killer abandoning in these situations makes no difference to the survivors or challanges. At most it would put a dampener on the heal x amount of times. But that alone isnt enough of a reason to justify killers being forced to endure tbagging at the gates every time, just heal during the match like normal.
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it does seem like some people want to use killers as sort of BP challenge farm regardless how it makes the killer feel…and they wonder why killers have no mercy with tunneling and slugging lol
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I like this too. It feels a little more equal to the Survivor abandon conditions and it's less of an instant cop-out (not that I'm against that, but this is healthier).
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Considering that you can freely abandon the match if you get slugged twice(?) I think that's fair. That condition technically isn't game ending in itself so the scenario where the gates are open, all remaining survivors are at the gate should be grounds for an abandon for the killer. 99% of the time you aren't getting anything out of that scenario so there's no point in having to wait for them to leave. In that specific scenario, I think it should be allowed to abandon.
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A stalemate abandon function intentionally doesn't include a bot because if it did the stalemate could just continue. The design expressly calls for the match to just end.
A system designed to let the killer skip the ECG does not expressly require the match to suddenly end. All it requires is that the killer player can exit the match.
Why do you care if there's a simplistic AFK bot or not? Do you want something more than just being able to leave the match? Why?
Personally I think matches just suddenly ending is an awkward, clumsy, and jolting experience in a match. We shouldn't scope creep the amount of scenarios where this can happen without there being a good reason for it to need to be that way.
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i dont care if there is a bot or not im just saying its not needed because when the match is over its over so the argument of denying killer the abandon option purely on the basis that there is no killer bot isnt valid. just like in stalemate conditions, its time to end the match, not prolong it by using a bot to chase people out instead.
as a survivor i dont hang around the gate so bot or no bot makes no difference to me, when the gates are open im outta there. besides, survivors taking 10min to do gens isnt a stalemate because either they avoid gens and get the afk crows or they do the gens slowly and carefully which means the killer will eventually run out of gen kicks. There are mechanics already in place to stop these stalemates happening so the abandon option isnt for that purpose.
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So lets go for experience parity then. The moment the last survivor abandons everyone is removed from the match and shown the end screen. Wanted to watch that mori animation? Wanted to actually hook those slugs? Nah, we got places to be and since the last survivor decided the match is over then the killer doesn't get a say.
I was willing to entertain the possibility of a system like this but if asking that it be implemented in a way that doesn't just kick everyone out of a match is too much then no.
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i would much prefer the match just ended when survivors abandon. who wants to go round hooking slugged bots? at that point killer won, get it to end screen and move on. if you want to play with bots play custom matches. but when players abandon thats it, match over.
if a bot was to replace the killer when all survivors are at the gate, then what? people would walk an inch to exit the match anyway. why implement a bot when people wont hang around to t bag the bot? based on the fact killers dont farm survivor bots for BP survivors wouldnt use the killer bot for end game BP like they do with a real player so it makes no sense to create a bot for survivors to have no interaction with.
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I would prefer a player not be able to dictate when a match is over for other players just by quitting. If you're done - great. Abandon. You're out. Whether someone else is continuing to play has no effect on you. If they're done then, well, they'll leave too. If not then that's up to them.
You know killers earn BP for hooking or performing a mori on the last downed survivor even if that survivor abandoned, yes? That said, I don't think it's about farming BP from the killer anyway.
Like I said though, I'm kind of over even entertaining this as a possibility. No, killers don't get to abandon. I was on board until it became part of the design spec that it absolutely needs to affect other people too.
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so in order to get the abandon option for killers we need to have a bot for 1 sec so then survivors can walk out on their own? seems a bit much just for the "match ends when i say it ends" mindset. either way i dont care because as killer i just afk and wait for the timer to count down and as survivor i just leave when the gates are open regardless of whats happening lol. maybe give survivors a 30 sec window to leave of their own accord of get forced out by abandon?
the choice to continue to play doesnt make sense because that choice is removed when the killer hits them out the gate…they either leave or get downed. mid match ye i can understand but not end game when all at the gates. what gameplay can you really have at the gates with a bot?
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Ooo, we got an alpha male over here. Some survivors really are just desperate to not lose the ability to make the other players' lives just a little bit worse, huh?
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I think for the purposes of EGC I think it could also be perfectly acceptable to program the end game collapse to function without a killer. An afk killer bot won't really do anything other than generate a miniscule amount of points from standing in the terror radius. Just have it so the killer can abandon during the EGC if they wish and the match continues until the timer runs out.
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Yeah, of course I meant the only downside of it if properly implemented, otherwise every discussion about changes would be pointless because "it's BHVR, they'll break something else".Its not just bugs, though those are a worry, but any additions will always take time to put into the game. That's time that can't be spent on other issues. When topics like these come up its not just an issue of 'what would be the downside' but 'is there enough upside to justify doing it?'
As I said in my last comment, the more I think about abandons in general, the less I like them but the floodgates have opened and discussions like these aren't going to go away.Maybe, but whether people will keep bringing something up in a discussion forum or not doesn't seem to be that huge of an issue.
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I know it's not what you want to hear, but i literally just chase them out. It's not an issue for me in the slightest.
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ppl do tome challenges in the endgame theres several, if they add a bot that replaces the killer and doesn't end the match it would be fine for the killer to abandon when its endgame collapse imo so people can do their challenges
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As a survivor main who has witnessed many a teammate either get slammed into the invisible exit wall and grabbed by Wesker or be sniped and reeled in by Deathslinger, I can say pretty conclusively that for the killer, the game literally is not over until all four survivors have actually exited.
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BHVR does not even have to properly impliment bots for 'all' killers in this matter. They could just add base bots to every single killer, as in they just become M1 bots.
The fact that a player killer has to abandon makes this not an issue, there is a reason that player abandons. Right now we are forced often to walk from the very other side of the map to an exit gate just to push out survivors, just so they can gloat and spam crouch… c'mon now. Just gives killers abandon at this point.
I can't think of a scenario in endgame collapse why BHVR shouldn't add abandon, so… whats up? It would have the exact same effect as survivors abandoning after all 4 got downed/hooked. No difference.
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Because killers arent held in a match for 4 mins and always move the game by just pushing survivors out.
Comparing 4k slugs to killers getting t-bagged in endgame is like conparing a nuke to a coughing baby.
"I dont want to t-bagged"
I dont want to get tunneled,
I dont want to get humped, just for looping longer than 30s.
I dont want to have 50 s-tier matches in a row.
too bad, you will have to deal with it. Just like survivors get toxicity from killers without a way to escape.
You wont like that answer but its what its designed for, not just to "avoid the toxicity" otherwise the dc button would have no penalty.
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i dont have to deal with it because
1.i tunnel and slug and do anything possible to make sure it doesnt happen
2. if i do lose i just go round breaking pallets and walls to gain BP….if survivors want to be petty and try to BM me all they are doing is buying me more time to break pallets.
getting tunneled is a tactic used to win the game….t bagging at the gate doesnt help people win. its purely toxic behaviour that happens all too often and pushes me to play in a way that survivors dont like. if you wonder why killers tunnel so hard for no reason….thats your reason….to make sure people cant tbag at the gate.
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I agree, either way is fine by me. I was just guessing as to the comparative difficulty between swapping in an AFK bot controller versus whatever adjustments need to be made in order to allow a killer-less match to continue. I don't know how much the match's blueprint/code references and assumes the presence of a killer.
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Unrelated to the wider conversation but this is why I love killers with a form of "just leave" built into their power. There's honestly nothing more therapeutic than dragging someone from the exit gates because they were cocky enough to Teabag a Deathslinger or Wesker while injured.
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i wish survivors had something similar, "just hook/pick up"
but alas the closest we will ever get to is conviction, which honestly is busted and too abusable, probably going to be gutted in the next patches.
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That works on few killers injured on wesker, slinger and pinhead I think can block you little too or you need addons like springtrap or knight and houndmaster can probably get you too on gates, ghoul was nerfed so yeah endgame is very specific for each killer same with last endgame kill when you have survivor on the hook and 3 others alive try to ssvd him not all killers can deal with that what determines endgame depends on things like what killer is it,how many paletts exist, how many survivors are alive or how far is hook on which survivor is far from gate and etc.
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There have been so many posts about this topic and it always comes down to the same thing - Killers have the opportunity to hit survivors out, and should therefore just suck it up and enjoy the teabags. Now that BHVR has added a feature to quit after you've been downed & healed back up twice, what is the excuse now? Is that okay? Survivors in that scenario would actually have a bigger chance of getting something done than the Killer when the gates are opened.
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I think I'm still mostly upset with the map. I was already disappointed the FNAF map was half just reused forest, so when they then released a map that 98% reused forest assets, it really dropped my faith in BHVR's map aesthetics.
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My guess is because the killer dcing doesnt actually count as an escape, so it doesnt count towards achievements, challenges or quests.
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BHVR has already implemented a feature where getting slugged too much in a match lets survivors ragequit, so we've obviously gone past the point of "erm! abandoning is only for when you cant do anything!!! you can still do stuff in EGC as the killer just try harder!!!" and is basically just "okay this match might be making you mad so here your BHVR-sanctioned gonext"
if you actually read the post you would have seen this and realized your point is invalid. also. again. read the post. 4 survivors. Edge of the exit gate. What can you do in that situation? you people watch too much just leave on reddit, i swear.4 -
i will never understand bhvr logic lol. abandon feature was designed to end a match the has been lost. like if all are slugged and cant get back up. yet abandon has become a free go next regardless if survivors can continue the match or not. Who needs to DC when there are so many abandon options available?
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BHVR has already implemented a feature where getting slugged too much in a match lets survivors ragequit, so we've obviously gone past the point of "erm! abandoning is only for when you cant do anything!!! you can still do stuff in EGC as the killer just try harder!!!" and is basically just "okay this match might be making you mad so here your BHVR-sanctioned gonext"
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would rather they fix the slugging for 4k or 1v2. but sure.
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You go from saying tunneling is a tactic to admitting someone squatting rapidly tilts you so hard you tunnel as a form of indiscriminate pre-retribution. So which is it? A cold-blooded winning strategy or an emotional response? Do killers want an abandon option because the game is over or because their feelings are hurt?
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For one thing it's their way of coding the game…
And for another it's more of the fact that there are 4 Survivors VS 1 Killer
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its a tactic to use to as pre-retribution lol. its a cold hearted strategy used partly in response to the treatment received if i dont pick up the win. killers want to abandon for the same reason survivors do, when they dont have fun they abandon. nothing to do with if the game is over or hurt feelings.
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Tunneling is tactic, its not nice but it works well and if it was unintended feature devs would alredy nerf it to the ground or almost remove it (skullmerchant it) like many other things.
You can as survivor just go to the killer and let him down you or hook you, all 4 survivors can do it and skip the game without dc but as killer you cant unless survivors dont dc or just hide for 10 minutes witout touching a gen so abandon for killer when gates are opened or even powered is fair but then again I get you want to tbag the hell out of the frustrated killer in exitgate area to feel good about it because he cant do a thing to harm you only dc and that harms him too so I get why are so many “survivor ejoyer” against it. Now put that downvote here because my post isnt survivor sided.
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Who is "you" exactly because you're responding to me and I don't BM as either role.
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Well, as we learned for a fun new tidbit today, the way they've implemented it, "abandon" completely throws out all match data. It doesn't end the match as a win or a loss. It invalidates it all together.
So the knock on effect of that would be that if a killer abandons a match he's losing, he never actually lost it and will never have those stats tracked, and never have his MMR adjusted downward. Vice versa for survivor too, particularly in the slugging for 4k scenarios.
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