How to stop camping

what about if the timer dont stop if you are on a chase?

or if it never stop at all just slows down

lets face it, losing points its not a real punishment, most people dont even care about that even more on low ranks, there are a lot of possibilities that can be explored like revealing the aura of campers or maybe increasing the time between well suceeded hits so that if you are able to take a hit for your friend you and him would be able to make more distance from the killer as a punishment for camping, this way a survivor could still try to force a chase near the hook to make the "camper" status active for the killer and then get the bonus but it wouldnt be a death sentence for the killer since first of all the survivor who came to the hook would need to hold the chase there long enough for the killer to be concidered a camper, the he would need a good time and positioning to take a hit for the hooked one, wich wouldnt be easy since by the time the killer get the camper status he would already have bloodlust, if the survivor try to abuse this mechanic this way he would most likely be put down.

I dont think this would resolve the entire problem but its a good start

So lemme get this straight.

You have 3 anti camp/anti tunnel perks.

2 give you a free hit and THEY STACK and 1 gives you a 3-5 second stun after being tunnelled.

And you want more?

Im out i can't even.

Hey BVHR can i have a killer perk that if a survivor tunnels a gen it teleports them to me so i can have a free hit please?

Survivors seem to want to force me to play how they want for an easy game so i believe killers should be able to ask for the same.

Interesting. I never knew this was tested cause I was thinking about something similar for fixing the camp. How about the bar doesn't go down only IF the killer is in some range similar to the emblems punishment you made recently /where if there is a survivor nearby too that does not work/ ?

So again because YOU think something is "not right" or "not fun" you feel BVHR should compensate or otherwise maim killers?

Of course as the survivor you're not gonna like it, you know what i don't like? loops i don't feel they are particularly fair and don't find them fun.

BVHR please remove them!

See what i did there?

You are at the killers mercy to dispatch you however THEY see fit.

The killer is at the mercy of all these sweatbag SWF and second chance perks running around.

Lets just remove everything!

You are out of your mind. Stop and think about how abused that would become. Killer is trying to leave and you get caught out for making a bad rescue. You're invulnerable within a 20m radius and the unhooked survivor is not also invulnerable. How does the killer do anything about that? What about just staying around the killer so neither survivor is in any danger of getting killed. Entire teams could rush the hook and end up being unable to be killed. What about during the healing? You can have up to two people healing one person so that is three invulnerable survivors while you're within 20m? Absolutely not. You'd see way more killer dcs and in that one instance I'd not blame them.

I hate camping as much as the next person, and at this point, I have no idea what could possibly combat face-camping in a good and natural way. They reduced bloodpoint gain for camping hook, and people still do it anyway. They added Breakdown to force the killer to take the survivor to a different hook, but it only has any real power if you have a team sabotaging hooks. New DS is good, but what if it's a Leatherface? No one is going to be able to unhook you in order for you to use it. Deliverance? How are you going to use that if you can never get a safe unhook because of a camper? Not to mention that using Deliverance against a camper is just going to get you put back on the hook.

@Peanits , since one of your biggest gripes with penalties to camping is punishment for necessary camping (eg the exit gates are open), the following two suggestions should not be immediate turnoffs. On the forums (and most likely within the dev team too) penalties to camping can be a reason for reflexive and immediate dismissal of said ideas, but I believe that stigma should be done away with, given that there are solutions that consider why a killer would camp and what aspects of the game that killer is ignoring.

I would be interested in one of two things:

1. The killer cannot see the auras of all generators but one while within 20 meters of a hooked survivor for a cumulative total of 60 seconds. This blindness penalty is permanent once the killer has spent more than 160 seconds within radius of the hook. Reasoning: Being around the hook for 60 seconds is something that a survivor could potentially configure so that it occurs, but if a killer is chasing a survivor around a hook, why would the killer leave to patrol gens. It honestly wouldn’t matter. However, it would prevent killers who are just lingering around the hook for no reason from having information to be as efficient as a non-camping killer. A survivor has gone from freshly hooked to all the way dead before a permanent penalty is applied. This doesn’t affect killers if all gens are done. Lore: The killer has shown him/herself to be a loyal servant to the Entity but does not care about the survivors’ objectives, instead choosing to focus on eliminating a single survivor without any chances post-first hook. The Entity has granted that killer freedom from the annoyance of seeing auras of for which she/he has no care.
2. (The less appraling and likely option) A killer blinded within 16 meters of a hooked survivor will undergo the flashlight stun animation, granting any daring savior a chance to rescue a survivor in distress. Reasoning: This is already difficult for a survivor to abuse if the killer is far away from a hook and/or the survivor doesn’t have a flashlight. Most importantly, the killer can look away to avoid blinds. Lore: Killers are also prone to blindness from greed.

Edit: Added additional reasoning to first suggestion

MoM is not an anti camp perk!

It has 0 duration it's up until you take that hit. Could be right away or after two other people have been hooked it does not matter.

While yes, survivors should be doing that, often times, solo survivors are notoriously inefficient when making saves. Multiple people go or nobody goes at all.

Survivors that are unaware that the killer is camping while may run all the way across the map to the hook just before a survivor is sacrificed, abandoning a gen in the process and get caught out by the just as the survivor dies. These survivors have no way of knowing the circumstances without being there or having certain perks (eg. Empathy or Aftercare), and just running the length of a map such as Azarov's Resting Place can take a good 45 seconds. Additionally, not going to save a survivor is a loss of precious bloodpoints. Survivors net less points genrushing or stealthing than getting chased or farming other survivors. Much of the experience of the game outside of chase is driven by points. A survivor who is camped at the start of the game and burned any kind of offering is often left with less than 7k points, which is never a good feeling. I've not met or seen anyone who seemed to think, "Whoah, that was super scary. I loved that horror feeling from being camped." So, yes, there's an issue, but many people can't get past the surface level of the problem and suggest silly things like "Stop hook progression while the killer is in the area." Others, like you, get fed up with the ideas that repeatedly pop up (because for some reason, there's no way to sort posts by anything but most recent, yielding an insane number of duplicate and worthless posts on one topic), and you shut down your receptors toward any kind of change suggested to mechanics regarding camping even though there are plenty of things that the devs could try.

One thing I'd be interested in seeing tested would be the killer getting a speed nerf if he's too close to the hooked survivor for too long.

The speed nerf would dissipate over 3 - 5 seconds after a chase started or if they left the radius of the hook.

Actually, because of how survivor ranking works, if you did that all survivors would also risk losing a pip.

Gens wouldn't get regressed, so without blowing them constantly you can't get much lightbringer score (unless your teammates aren't doing anything).

And you would lose your benevolent emblem entirely because you lose score when people don't get unhooked.

You also wouldn't get many chaser points, because the killer wouldn't be chasing you or anywhere near you for the majority of the match.

Pressuming you survive, you would likely end the match with just enough points to maintain your rank at most.

If we're ignoring the bloodpoints aspect and atmosphere (which admittedly suffer because of the many other issues in the game)...

...Precisely! 😁