2v8 Gen Speed is a Massive Problem

Gens have to be able to go fast to keep up with 2 Killers. Gens can slow down, but to balance it fairly, you'd have to scale Killer down to compensate.

killers q up for like 30min to have a 3min match, i can see that being frustrating. im already getting bored to be honest, spending most of my time playing as survivor, not because i want to but because there isnt anything else to do while waiting for killer q.

That being said, if the gens took longer and the match as a whole took longer you know there would be complaints from survivors and killer q times will be worse.

Exactly. This crap is the reason gens fly in this mode.
It's the same stupidity present in almost any fighting game that punishes the winner for winning and in other games like RE4 and RE4R makes things easy if you're having a hard time. How am I supposed to improve if the damn game keeps making things easier?!

Anyway, only way to win in 2v8 as killers is:

A: Getting a team of bad survs.
B: Hard tunnel one or two out of the match ASAP. As soon as you hook someone triangulate the position you hook and where is your partner or simply go to the directly oppose diagonal where you hooked and you'll find this surv 85% of the time. Since gens start to go faster by the number of hooks if you 1 hook each of the 8 survs before anyone dies you'll certainly lose the match. And if one surv disconnects your priority shifts to tunnel out the bot FAST.

The thing though is they doubled the amount of killers and amount of survivors, but only increased the amount of gens needed to escape by 60% while more than doubling the amount on the map.

That's my point(…?) People play the killer role because its the only way killer players can interact with each other, be it with randos or with friends. Yet, for whatever reason, people want the solution that to deal with queue time is to make that role miserable.

I think gens going fast are only an issue when people are going out of their way to not pop gens when they have the adaptive difficulty. Now guide's been nerfed survs can't bypass the slowdown. A surge m1 gen regression esque class, or an eruption or pop one would be welcome tho

Killer is very much strong in this mode however, especially with a friend, it's just learning to communicate and when to work together.

It does very much depend on the killers and classes you combo tho

Precisely.
Just lost 3 in a row here because we didn't tunnel enough to bypass this crap.

EDIT: 5 now and in the last one I and a random Pyramid scored 16 and 15K respectively on how fast the match was.
7E and for some reason all survs started to insult each other for some reason.

You already gutted guide which was the only class that made soloq bearable

Screw over anyone who prefers actually doing the objective over something boring, you could do in 1v4.

Even if you get your wish, queue times would increase and i doubt you want to wait another 15mins out of the alr 30.

It still doesn't change the fact that the killer role has only lost content. First they lost the unique killer coop powers from the first 2v8. Then out of the 4 classes, Shadow was the most fun one and it got nerfed. And finally they removed a killer from the roster. All this while giving survivor the strongest tools they ever got in any game mode like mid chase healing or rebuilding pallets.

And as all of that was happening, queue times never got better. Its been a whole year since 2v8 v2. Making killer miserable won't help queue times as clearly shown from the lackluster updates.

Pretty much whole 2v8 mode is about which killers are against survivors and who plays them like slinger and huntress duo is almost lost from the start and they would need to tem and hit every shot, get downs super fast unlike wesker/oni duo which has more tools for chase and mostly mobility which is hell needed on such giant maps.

Agreed. Well written.

It's pretty insulting imo, the fact devs are now removing killers from the mode after constant nerfs. The elephant in the room being that Legion provided the best slowdown and most consistent gen pressure was removed with no compensation, and a negligible effect on queue times. I'm not quite sure what to call that, but it probably isn't good. Maybe I'm mistaken though and killers were only supposed to be grateful to have the opportunity play with another killer.

I think recent decisions show they are operating without an actual plan for balance, which is even more egregious. It's the equivalent of them shooting wildly in the dark, hoping to hit anything that will help reduce queue times. It's not working; it's time for a new approach. Even when the balance is tilted in surv favor for 2v8, the classes give them super powers, and it still isn't enough to bring the wait times down. And yet again its still somehow the killer's fault so they get punished and their fun stuff taken away in a game mode that is supposed to have broken things on both sides and be silly.

Here's an anecdote. My buddy and I were playing a round of PH and Neme yesterday, and even with the best start it still came down to the last gen. Felt like we had to sprint the entire game and always be in chase, try to keep chases as short as possible, and immediately start new ones after hooking, and there was absolutely no room to miss your power it felt like. It felt like we had to be near perfect in so many different areas and even with that strong performance, it came down to every second counting. Who likes waiting 20-30 minutes in queue for a match that lasts 5 to 7 minutes?

I don't mind the game mode being in the survivor's favor, but they have been treating killer like trash. The most insulting part was them nerfing Shadow and removing Legion in the same update, while giga buffing Escapist and keeping the ability for Medics heal mid chase. Not only that, Withered Isle is still bugged with fog, making it much easier for survivors to hide. This bug was in the prior 2v8 and it still is in the mode.

And even then, ALL of this wouldn't matter if it wasn't for the fact of an absolute lack of mechanics for the Killer side. The classes offer absolutely nothing for most killers.

literally, give me a springtrap or a xenomorph and all my issues with the mode go away. Besides on command sb because bhvr just loves bad ideas.

The Survivor role dictates game balance. Killer role is just there.

I would have thought the "play while you wait" feature would incentivize more people to play Survivor while they're waiting for their Killer games, and thus (maybe slightly?) reduce the Killer queue time. Is that not the case?

Honestly, every match is just miserable. Every match I've been in this morning, killer or survivor, has been an absolute sweatfest. I had an 8 out against my nurse earlier. NURSE. I'm not a bad nurse either.

Then in my play while you wait survivor matches I've been pitted against killers who are coordinating so closely I wouldn't be surprised if they're sitting next to each other. Alternatively they aren't coordinated but I'm one of the ones they seem to want to latch on to and tunnel out for whatever reason.

Misery for everyone.

(I realize it's just the most recent matches and I've been doing fine otherwise but I'm in the middle of a really annoying streak right now and in a very F this game mood.)

The biggest issue seems to be on the "catch up / Anti-snowball" mechanics: if you spread too many hooks survivors get a nice boost in gen repair speed without too much hidrance. They really should just give a minimal increase for hooks and a big boost in case someone dies early.

There were scenarios where almost everyone were on death hook but no one were dead yet. We lost 3 gens within minutes. Considering how fast heals and saves happes in this mode, i believe the anti-snowball boost should focus more in scenarios where someone is taken out of the game early than where most of the survs is close to death but not dead yet.

4k and 4e is an average for high mobility killer combo only. Replace any killer who is slower and you get 2k 6e average instead.

Not to mention if you don't eliminate someone asap, chances of getting kills goes down significantly.

Lets not forget about instant healing with medics and speedrunners with escapists who make chasing people even more harder. Survivors can also repair pallets. Killers don't have such reliable powers, as well as gen regression, other than a gen kick.

Herbs could be used by both Killer and Survivor, while Fog Crystals were replaced by Fog Vials. And while Guide class was nerfed compared to its first apperance, its still very good as it encourages teamplay between survivors to come to your gen to speed the process up.

Meanwhile the new killers that are added for the mode are not even all that strong for the context of 2v8, Dracula is actually bugged and doesn't work properly. The first two times Wesker was added into the game mode, he would softlock the game, forcing both killer and survivor to have to disconnect.

I am not saying survivors shouldn't get new classes, but Escapist having on demand sprint burst or Medic healing mid chase is WAY past a QoL.

Yea it's a massive problem for matches against SWF's but not in matches against all randoms or mostly randoms, as per how the game usually is.