Be Careful What Killers You Add To Future 2V8s
As a Legion main I'm obviously very disappointed to see them be gutted in the last 2V8 and now ultimately removed from the latest edition of the mode.
You can try reworking this Killer so that they can be added back to future 2V8s, but I honestly think this development time would be better off spend elsewhere. There are probably no versions of The Legion that their most vocal haters will accept in 2V8, so you'll only have to remove them again following the next round of complaints.
Now that a precedent has been set by removing a Killer from the mode, please be very careful about what Killers you add in future. I'm sure you guys already know from surveys which Killers are very unpopular with Survivors but in any case, I'd suggest thinking twice about adding The Clown, The Trickster, The Doctor, The Plague, The Twins, The Cenobite, The Knight, The Skull Merchant, The Ghoul, The Good Guy, The Singularity or The Krasue. These characters are probably the most commonly complained about Killers and I think they will be as unwelcome in 2V8 as The Legion is.
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i would love for them to stop adding killers and add classes instead for both sides.
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neither has to come at the expense of the other. Especially if they take more time between iterations (which people have been asking for).
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Yeah, some new classes would be very welcome. Plenty of people on the forums have been asking for new classes for quite a while now (at least a year).
Let's be real though, I think new Killers are being added for business reasons and to sell more content. I'm sure it's the main reason they added Legion alongside Wesker and Nemi with the Resident Evil themed event (and Blight in the iteration before that). I noticed they're still trying to sell us the Robbie The Rabbit Legion cosmetics in the Konami 2V8 store. Thanks BHVR, but I think I'll pass.
So yeah, they will no doubt continue to focus on adding more Killers.
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I think the primary problem with legion was he excelled if more survivors were in close proximity which is always the case in 2v8. The only other killer on that list that could rapidly injure the whole team for any other killer to pick off, would be plague. Everyone else still has to chase each person to hit them except ghoul, but he can only do it to 1 person at a time and doesnt get told where everyone is when he does.
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I really would like to see some of those killers you listed on the 2v8. Aside from Twins and Skull Merchant - and maybe Plague -, all of those could really fit 2v8.
Knight is hated because of how strong he was to hold trigens on the 1v4 mode. But he needed perks to do that, what he doesn't have in 2v8. I think Knight will be quite goofy in the 2v8, specially considering how guard hits work. Probably there will be situations where someone take the guard hit completely out of nowhere, as it already happens in the 1v4 matches.
Singularity would be hell on earth, but i believe it would be fun too. And it would be more balanced than in the 1v4 mode because pallet are infinite with scouts, so there won't be a shortage of resources.
Doctor would be quite annoying with 8 survivors screaming. Maybe they could reduce the volume of screams if there is a Doctor in the match.
For Twins, i don't know if they could work on this mode. Victor would be too strong or too weak depending on the changes.
Legion was the best support in 2v8. He was the "Hex Ruin" of this mode, giving the other killer so much pressure with his power that it was the only real slowdown the mode had. My only real problem with Legion was the mending. If they changed the mending to 1s i believe Legion wouldn't be a problem at all in this mode, specially considering how fast Medics can heal the whole team.
Aside from Legion, i believe only Plague could be an issue too, because she would basically completely negate Medics as a class.
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I don't have any personal objections to these Killers eventually being in 2V8. I'm just anticipating the likely negative feedback from Survivors that might lead to them being removed.
As for Knight, Survivors already dislike being double teamed by two Killers, adding one of the Knight's ghost buddies into the mix is only likely to cause more frustration. I don't find it very engaging to be chased by an AI NPC that you can't outrun or stun or do much to evade. But we're all different, so maybe most players would be fine with Knight.
A good Singu could lock down an area better than Trapper could ever dream of. They could also use their cameras to tell their KWF duo where Survivors are, which could be problematic.
But yeah, The Legion was a fantastic support Killer. They were decent when matched with anyone, creating easy targets for the high mobility Killers to pick off and buying more time for the weaker Killers to catch up. They were also really good at slowing trials by discouraging Survivors from grouping on gens, something that no Killer in 2V8 is currently able to do. But I'm not sure about your idea of making mending take only a second because some Survivors would probably mend themselves instantly while still in the terror radius. Now the Legion now has another nearby Frenzy target to return to. Survivors should ideally be delaying mending like in 1V4, but you know that's not what a lot of them will be doing.
The biggest problem with Legion (as with Plague) is that they have the potential to annoy the entire lobby by spreading injuries with their power. I think they could possibly rework them to be much stronger in the 1V1, so at least they are just annoying 1 player at a time instead of half the lobby. Unless they nerf them so bad they'd be useless, I'd expect more complaints no matter what BHVR do.
Regardless of how I feel about certain Killers, I think the more choices there are for players to choose from, the better it will be because eventually it won't matter if some are more "annoying" to face than others. Legion are just 1 of 41 Killers in 1V4 but in 2V8 they were 1 of 13. So obviously you'd end up facing them more often than usual. It also doesn't help that the other support Killers are so bad. Wraith is fine, but Trapper, Ghostie and Deathslinger could probably use some buffs. That might encourage more diversity and attract some players away from playing Legion.
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While I agree with this, it's obvious survivor has not gained classes at the expense of killers being added. We've still not had a single new class since the start.
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Yeah, you are right in many points.
For the Knight, i understand. I personally like him a lot and know the guards have far more counterplay than 2 different killers in a chase. I would like to see the Knight for the caos: if in the 1v4 the guards create very silly situations, imagine in the 2v8? But i know i am a minority within the broader community and i respect that.
As 2v8 is an exceptional, seasonal mode i think its hard to say to people "learn the counter" in some of these situations, even when they are very simple specially, mostly because some of the 2v8 players rarely play the 1v4 at all.
Lets just hope they keep adding content into this mode. This is the first interaction i like for real, mostly because of Dracula. Lets see what they might bring in the others.
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I doubt cenobite will ever come to 2v8 tbh
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I don't think they are neglecting adding classes for killers. I think they're just not adding classes (or at least not making them yet). Given that we managed to get 2 class reworks already, I feel like if BHVR was cooking classes they'd already be ready.
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Probably for balancing reasons. Creating new classes might be a challenge, as they might be too weak, too strong or completely unattractive. But they need to face this challenge, otherwise survivor gameplay will get boring.
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i think chucky would be more fun in the next 2v8
however, legion might still be fun but kindly little unbalanced, so i prefer they either rework them or maybe adding some little tweaks, because legion is only about preasure in 2v8 like exposing survivors hiding spots and injuring them all multiple times in a row so survivors prefer to heal more than reparing gens. so most of legion main's tend to injure {not to down or hook}
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I still think if you want to have Legion not be the mindless M2er:
- give them their normal 4 hit gameplay from 1vs4
- remove killer instinct on hit
- add scratch marks and pools of blood while in feral frenzy
- give them Frank's Mix tape basekit (the one that let's you kick whole still on Feral Frenzy)
- give them whatever buffs they need to be decent (faster starting movement, longer feral frenzy, faster cooldown) to compensate the loss of killer instinct. (As a gut start off point I'd say buff them to 5.4m/s, 15s duration, 12s cooldown).
This allows Legion to use the natural greater auras of 2v8 to still play, but it gives a killer who can chain injuries with little counterplay, a lot of new counterplay via stealth. Getting their 4 hits then is something that is actually earned via hide and seek. It also makes the Shadow Undetectable on them actually decent.
I think Plague will be mostly fine because of her lack of mobility in these big maps tbh, as long as there are enough fountains. If she pukes on everything, she is walking around as an m1 killer, and her injuries aren't instant. Chases don't usually last long anyway for fast killers, and against the Escapist and Scout classes, she will struggle mightily to exert pressure, like a Legion who constantly drops power to go for m1s.
Interesting to think about.
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I don't really think most of those killers listed would be as divisive in 2v8 as Legion, except for Kaneki, Plauge and maybe Knight and Singularity. Legion was really hated for how effective their power was in 2v8 the first go around (Though I don't really think they were a problem last time when they were nerfed and it was a case of people having their minds made up before the game even starts like with Skull Merchant hate post her rework)
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