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We gotta fix these queue times
21 minutes for a 5 minute gen rush is horrible there has got to be a better way to make these queue times shorter. The first iteration of 2v8 the wait times were at max 15 minutes now were waiting double that time with some people even waiting 30 minutes to get a killer match.
Atleast let Killer players play the regular game mode while waiting for a turn.
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Can't have both. Pick shorter queues with stronger survivors (worse genrush), or weaker survivors with infinite queue time. its not appealing to play as survivor if you're guaranteed to lose and the novelty of co-op killer is the other option.
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Can we shift away from this narrative that it is impossible to win as survivor?
Legion got already removed and so many claimed that the waiting time is so long because no one wants to play vs him.
Now there are claims that Oni needs to go, because he is to strong.
Survivors are pretty strong but compared to 1v4 there is just bland gameplay. You can only use Medic Nukes or Sprintburst on command to dodge an M1 a certain amount of time till it gets boring. While Killers have a blast trying combinations.
If you go into 2v8 as Survivor you restrict yourself from many perks which are more fun to use.
But by the love of god please go away of this narrative or give an example:
What should be buffed so that everyone wants to play a stale mode?
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The main problem with survivors in 2v8 is how the role is pretty much the same as it was in the second iteration.
We NEED new classes.
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Until they add actually interesting new content like new and fun classes or at the very least unique mechanics depending on the theme of that run of 2v8 (like how the RE themed one had herbs on the map, but it'd have to be more interesting than that) it's quite simply unfixable. Matchmaking is already exceptionally relaxed, it's just a raw numbers game.
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We've been telling BHVR to add more classes and not just new killers for over a year and still nothing changed.
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I'm not sure 2V8 Survivor will ever be as appealing to players as 2V8 Killer. Even with some new classes added (which they should), 2V8 is still going to feel limited and samey when compared to the 1V4 experience. Certain aspects of 2V8 can be pretty rough to the Survivor side too, with all those giga buffed top tier Killers running around (especially to those of us who prefer a stealthy play style to looping). Play while you wait is a great addition, but for me that only really helps if there's a Killer you want to play in 2V8 and I don't have that anymore. You can't progress your grade in 2V8 or bring offerings either, so there's potentially less BP reward on offer, too.
I'm convinced there's no way to fix the queue times in this mode other than to dramatically increase the player base numbers. But I don't think we'll ever see that happen because BHVR would need to make changes to the game play loop of regular DBD that veteran players and content creators would absolutely hate. DBD is a game that most people enjoy for about 50-100 hours maximum. Most stop playing when they realise there's a massive grind to unlock the best perks and a vertical learning curve to climb before they start to feel even a tiny bit like they're beginning to "get good". So they walk away and play something else because few want to stick around to be a punching bag for 1000+ hours.
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- In 2v8, the wait times for killers will always be long. The novelty of playing in pairs with another killer is too unique compared to the role of the survivor, which remains practically unchanged, indeed impoverished. Even if they add more classes for survivors, I don't think anything will change. Perhaps if there were a skin, unlocked EXCLUSIVELY by playing as a survivor, something might change.
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The fact is a lot of players want to play killer cause of the unique killer team experience. It's the most interesting new thing brought to the game, but you still need 4 survivors to every killer, and I'm sorry there is just no reasonable way to bridge this problem...
You're in a queue for the hottest ticket in the game... that's just the way it is. The game is already survivor sided to encourage more survivors to play, it caters to the much more casual audience and pulls in the vast majority of the players from 1v4,as well boosts the playerbase in general every time it appears.
I think the current queue while you wait system is the best way you can solve the problem: -
- You can play games of Survivor while you wait to pass the time.
- You gain the benefit of the bloodpoint bonus while you wait.
- You also are assisting in accelerating the queues by filling in the needed player slots for other people in the queue ahead of you.
- People can actually queue for the role they want to play (killer), but play while they wait, instead of saying "urgh, I really don't wanna wait 15 mins for a game", and being forced to play the other side.
If you wanna only main killer in 2v8, and the are complaining about killer queues, its the equivalent of getting picked for the wrong side in the schoolyard, and instead of joining in anyway so that the game can go ahead (where you can agree play your preferred role next time), you instead get the munk on and sit out on the side, making them find someone else to fill your spot.
You're basically trying to gate the killer for yourself, or muscle ahead of all the other people in the line that also wanna play the role... and I'm trying to say this nicely... but if you refuse to queue for survivor, you're not helping anyone but yourself... and to be frank, yeah, you kinda should have to wait the full queue... thats the penalty for not joining in to rectify queue times for everyone else 😐
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I don't think the Killer queues will ever change until they get rid of 1v4, but I don't see that flying either...
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Side effect of the play survivor while you wait for the killer match also causes people to queue to killer more. I for example usually did not bother to queue on killer as I just did not see the point to wait that 20-30 minutes, but now as there is the possibility to play survivor matches while in queue to the killer matches I do play killer matches. So there is most likely quite many more people like me so now there is those people too in the killer queue. I would imagine pure survivor players are not that common in the mode and most people are playing survivor only because they are queuing in the killer match.
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Yeah I think this is the biggest reason why there is lack of interest in the 2v8 survivor role. I’ve escaped most of my matches so far as survivor, so I don’t think it’s because survivor side is too difficult. And it’s certainly not BP incentives because those don’t seem to help at all. I think it’s like you said - nothing new or interesting for the survivor sides
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Really surprised they haven't added in a totem/boon class along with a hex class for killers.
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The first one was for me like 15 minutes to 18 minutes but each 2v8 its higher and higher not to mention no survvior clases like some boons and making bad changes like nerfing shadow class that got leaked in lobby and buffing escapist class that was very strong and popular before to making sprintburst with quick and quiet bot on comand with 30 seconds cooldown, thats change like making ghostface marked survivor last 20 seconds instead 30 and giving scout on each repaired pallet chemical trap.
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I always queue as killer but play survivor as I wait- I’d say I’ve escaped at minimum 75% of my games. And even if I die, I’m never seeing the killers get more than a 3/4K on average. Survivor is without a doubt incredibly easy in this iteration of 2 v 8.
The answer to how to solve the queue times seems to have been “make the less popular ‘mode OP’. And in fairness, beyond adding new classes, I’m not sure what else can be done. Nothing compares to playing killer with a friend.
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there was 1 2v8, I cant remember if it was the 2nd or 3rd where the queues tapered off to 5 minutes until something changed. idk how we can go back to that again T_T
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Is that the one where they added two Survivor Bots by default?
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Wasnt it the resident evil one where nemesis,wesker and RPD got added with herbs and re skins?
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I actually don't remember now. I want to say no, only because trying to fix the queues only makes them worse if that makes any sense. it's an odd conundrum
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The findings from the 2 bot inclusion was that it only saved queue times 1-2 min, which is why they removed them. Alot of survivors didnt want to play with them. They kept stealing all the herbs too as they knew exactly when and where they would spawn. I honestly cant recall a 2v8 that had low killer queue times.
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Okay so why not have the option of letting killer mains play 1v4 while waiting for for a 2v8 match. Or shoot even allow killer players to play in custom games until it finds a game?
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I do remember the bots stealing the herbs, that was pretty annoying. It's kind of a shame we'll never see those herbs again…
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I don't have a quote, but thinking aboit it logically, I believe the reason for this is quite simply that the primary purpose of the play while you wait feature is to help speed up the 2v8 queue for everyone by bringing more Survivors in from the killer queue... if you're queuing for 1v4, you're not doing that...
It's not something that BHVR couldn't do, but if yours and the community at larges main complaint is killer queue times, doesn't it seem a little counterproductive to provide a feature that reduces the effectiveness of the play while you wait features ability to lower the 2v8 killer queue times, by letting people queue for an entirely different mode?
I can understand why you want the feature... but players who would rather play Survivor than stare at a loading screen are assisting in bringing down the killer queue for everyone... if you add this feature, I'd guess at least half those players will play 1v4 instead, so killer queue times increase by 10%...
So I don't think that will become a thing.
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Have both. Have killer players able to play 1v4 while waiting in addition to the choice of survivor. Or if that isn't possible have playing killer require priority queue tokens in 2v8 and can only get them by playing survivor.
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What motivates survivors to play is new content and they don't have anything new since the 2nd iteration.
Create 20 more classes and add 2 or 3 each time 2v8 comes back and we are DEFINITELY reducing queue times.1 -
If they make it 10x BP I'll play survivor only and not even touch killer. That'll lower the times.
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