Back after a month break

Just wanted to point, that we don't blame you or any other mods for developer's awful choices that were implemented into the game and people definitely should not throw a blame to any other side of players either if they're survivor or killer main. Everything that happens is on devs responsibility

I'm glad the changes didn't go through. Just ran into a match of compy survivors. All 4 same name with 8-10k hours each. I was able to beat them by slugging strategically here and there and some camping to force 2nd stage. Almost lost it towards the end but I forced them off gens by tunneling.

They were so desperate to keep their mate in the game that they all kept taking hits. It's very VERY fun to be able to play in interesting ways to beat a very good team. Rewarding brains and tactics instead of brainless plays. Needless to say I would've lost badly if all the handholding mechanics were implemented.

Id rather we not water down the unique aspects of this game for people who don't have the skill to counter these things. That team almost beat me anyways and other teams have beaten me despite me using those tactics. I think we need a causal mode for the people who don't want to learn how to play against those things. Then the "ranked" mode would just be normal DBD.

As a 50/50 survivor/killer player, I fully agree. Well said

Seems to me that you've created some ideas in your head. Have you tried being less biased and aggressive? Perhaps that would better illustrate your points.

Have you considered that their metrics have shown that, perhaps, Survivors are leaving and they wish to hear feedback as to why?

Feedback Surveys aside, how would the game NOT be Killer-sided? Statistically, it absolutely is.

The problem with a rank and casual mode that unless there are significant differences between the two you are gonna have sweats go into the causal que just to get easier matches on both sides.

And also its not that people don't want to "learn" its that solo q lacks information that swf can do. If survivors had a comm wheel and could see each others perks in lobby it would take away a lot of frustration of "omg what are my team mates doing" where swf can just call it out on mic.

edit: i also don't think it good to compare a 4 man 8- 10 k hour each lobby with a standard match. the majority of matches you have are not 8-10k hour players.

Tunnel and slug prevention can't be introduced until it's no longer possible for gens to be completed in less than 4 minutes.

Address the primary reason that killers get conditioned to tunnel and slug (which is comically fast gen speeds), then you can apply restrictions/penalties to tunneling/slugging and both sides will be in a better place. Put people in a desperate situation and they'll resort to desperate measures, this problem is not complicated (no disrespect).

The 9.2 PTB was actually on the right track by incentivizing going for hooks and making it more practical (in a competitive sense) against gen speed, the foul-up was trying to stop the killer from punishing bad plays that led to an early kill (virtually trying to codify 'the amateur survivor's rulebook for killers'). It's good that there's an awareness that the Patrick Harris philosophy of stomp or be stomped is recognized to do nothing but breed resentment for the game and I encourage the exploration of where the 9.2 PTB was headed.

Survivors complete gens, killers go for hooks, make these two things intertwine competitively at the highest skill levels, this is the only realistic progressive goal at this point short of adding an entirely new game type. Good luck.

killer clowns is dying because they dont add new content.

TCSM died because they tried to charge more then dbd for dlc and let players see who they where going to verse and if they where on comms leading to mass lobby dodging if you are comms. also as a Australian there servers sucked and would boot you 90% of matches due to high ping because they couldn't even do a oceanic server.

evil dead nobody played, didn't even know it existed until it was cancelled.

dead by daylight will die if they don't do something for SURVIORS this whole year they have gotten nothing
fog vials nerfed due to killer complaints
both of the last ptbs reverted because "the update was too hard on low tiers"
they have to deal with the ghoul who its been crickets on if he will be changed.

I think one of Hens' latest videos spells out the problem quiet well. He doesn't say it specifically out loud, but I think any intellectually honest person can take their conclusion from that vid. I'm talking about the vid of his Asian server experiment btw. To me that vid is just massive proof that western players (in this case survivors) are massively entitled. Instead of instantly going-next, play the game and notice how easy survivor has it. I personally quit playing for a multitude of reasons, but mostly because you literally cannot get a single match without at least one survivor going-next, and it has nothing to do with any specific playstyle from the killer.

… respectfully, just learn how to loop, so you don't get tunneled. Also, if you get tunneled that hard and frequently, maybe you should insert some chase and anti tunnel perks… just an idea. Sprint burst meta is meta for a reason, hint hint.

edit ps: 50/50 player since 2016 btw

The point you should take away from that comment is that I know the game inside out and as a 50/50 player I'm telling you survivor is the easy side. Unless you continuesly verse blights and nurses, which is rarely the case these days since everyone shifted towards ghoul.

Play few more games then.

Somewhere out there there's a person who came back from the break and their first 5 matches consisted of 4 man escapes, bully squads or 0ks. It goes both ways.

I've spoken to many "good players" that have even higher survival rates than I do… Most survivors are at 40-45% cause they DC/gonext all the time, refusing to learn the loops. The fact that I cannot find a single match where not at least one survivor goes next is proof of that. The average survivor is bad cause they want to be bad. And secondly I cannot overperform on my killer stats, not anywhere near as much as I do in comparison to the average survivor stats.

I despise the upper MMR argument being used for literally anything. Until we can see our brackets and can compare notes based on those brackets, I'm not going to entertain these ideas. It also clashes with the popular narrative that people DC over any little thing, like the chosen killer, the map, or being first down, which are the most common reasons I see people giving for DCs in their matches.

As for stats, bots don't ruin a match. They're productive, they just suck at chase. But I'd take a bot teammate over half of soloq. They also don't include matches with DCs in the stats they give us. If anything, KRs are deflated by how many stomps are cut from the data.

You can make the same argument against personal stats for survivors, which are inflated by abandons, which is why I no longer trust anyone's stats besides my own because I've almost never used the feature. But most people do, so most personal survivor stats are wrong.