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Why Nurse is allowed to have aura reading perks?

azaxydbd
azaxydbd Member Posts: 27
edited December 10 in Feedback and Suggestions

You realize how annoying that is? is not even a game, is pure wallhack cheating built in game to torment players, why wallhack is even a thing, should just run oOo i guess, those wallhacks is out of control, people not even learn to play good, they just have wallhacks(literally!), there is no way to justify a wallhacking killer that can teleport behind walls and 2tap everyone, and i forgot to ask, when are u going to address the no terror radius bug? the killers coming without terror radius at times.

Answers

  • runningguy
    runningguy Member Posts: 774

    the reason for the wall hack aura reading being so out of control is due to survivor player base that repeatedly say they hate stealth and they want chases, loops, interaction with the killer. sorry to say but the aura reading is due to the players wishes on what they want the game to be. it sucks, but it is what it is.

  • Zuiphrode
    Zuiphrode Member Posts: 515

    I don't think Nurse players are the ones having problems learning how to play good here.

  • Elan
    Elan Member Posts: 1,427
    edited December 11

    I stated before that killer that has access to ignore entire trial enviroment including levels is a nightmare with aura perks. Especially when the player is really good, you just gonna die without much options to fight back other than rush asap. I personally don't think that Nurse shouldn't be able to use aura perks, I just think that once she fully charges blink she shouldn't be able to see auras anymore. This would still pinpoint you where to teleport without exposing the target entire game.

    Nurse's skill ceiling already went down with the lunge add on that no longer rewards or punish good or poor blinks and that add on I see every Nurse game.

  • Elan
    Elan Member Posts: 1,427

    I think Nurse might need two fixes:

    → Removal of lunge add on so precise blinks matter again

    → When blink is fully charged, auras are hidden from Nurse

    I think Blight also needs two adjustments:

    → base movespeed down to 4.4

    → rush tokens reduced by 1

    Don't agree on Pig though, her traps are slowdown and it's their purpose. Headpop era is dead for a while.

  • UndeddJester
    UndeddJester Member Posts: 4,971

    Don't agree on Pig though, her traps are slowdown and it's their purpose. Headpop era is dead for a while.

    They are slowdown, and this makes the slowdown more consistent, as well as making trap timers a prominent part of Pig's gameplay that Survivors cant ignore... as it should be.

    I can also assure you head pop era ain't dead. Gears and Tampered Timer with scream builds is very much a thing in modern DBD... arguably better now than ever with buffed, non TR based Ultimate Weapon and the new Phantom Fear perk. 😏

  • CautionaryMary
    CautionaryMary Member Posts: 802

    I don't really understand the issue with Nurse using aura reading - similar to other high mobility killers using them as well.

    From my perspective, most mobility users either use full gen regression or an assorted mixture of aura reading and gen regression. Once you recognize Nurse has aura reading, there is still counterplay involved. However, yes versing Nurse on a map with very little line of sight blocking can be difficult as a whole.

    Limiting what a killer player can and cannot use just because of a specific killer being great at utilizing it due to their mobility is simply using their strengths with information. Now I won't argue that Behavior overly nerfed Distortion because they obviously did with the amount of aura reading in the game, but I would not advocate for such a change.

  • runningguy
    runningguy Member Posts: 774

    But doing that would make her too weak. Nurse is one of those killers with a broken power thats either too weak or too strong, party why they havnt nurfed nurse and shes always been S tier.

  • PetTheDoggo
    PetTheDoggo Member Posts: 1,935

    But doing that would make her too weak.

    Nurse? Too weak by increasing skill floor? How that works…

    She will be able to do everything same, she will just have to make some predictions.
    It's really not like she has to use aura reading perks. They just make her easy to play.

  • PetTheDoggo
    PetTheDoggo Member Posts: 1,935

    When blink is fully charged, auras are hidden from Nurse

    It would make more sense to be exactly opposite. So she can't see auras until blink is fully charged.

    That makes it valid for information as where to go, but nerfs aura perks in chase, which is kinda main issue.

  • tes
    tes Member Posts: 1,207

    Well, as much as Clown is allowed to stack haste with STBFL or survivors second chance perk to oblivion. This game never considered banning or buffing specific perks for specific tiers and way of play

    Personally thought about applying blindless on her if she didn't land on first chain right. Makes it more time consuming to abuse aura build, yet doesn't cancel it.

    Or providing her a unique effects that instead of aura force survivor scream once and reveal location, but that's all. So killer still get info, but survivor have a chance to use stealth and lose of LoS during chase.

  • sizzlingmario4
    sizzlingmario4 Member Posts: 7,843

    She needs to have blindness while charging her blink and while blinking.

    I don't have any issue with Nurse using perks like BBQ, but in-chase aura reading on her is a problem and should not be a thing

  • Soulreaver
    Soulreaver Member Posts: 1

    I'm of the opinion that nurse generally speaking as a killer who ignores rules of looping is already strong enough chase wise without information on direct line of sight of where a survivor's position is. Her being able to see aura with perks makes her even more dangerous to a extent that she is almost overly strong.

    Now some might say "Why my killer is not allowed to have or while other Killers can have it while in power". Think Blight, Kaneki, Hill billy, Dracula etc. I'm for limiting aura reading for these killers while M2/power however, these guys still play by the rules where Nurse consistently doesn't.

    Let me know what you guys think, her blinks being restricted in blink is a fair change that would still give information but not make it painfully irritating to go against.

  • Orthane
    Orthane Member Posts: 614

    Nurse is basically braindead. She has a high skill floor that takes about 10-20 games to learn and an extremely low skill ceiling that once you get past that initial learning curve you just auto won games without even having to try because she's so OP.

  • CompetitifDBD
    CompetitifDBD Member Posts: 842

    The real question is why can she read auras while charging blinks? If she has aura before hand, at least survivors have some reaction time where they won't insta die the second she finishes blinking

  • KingOfDoom55
    KingOfDoom55 Member Posts: 329
    edited December 12

    I say the same thing about xenomorph and its flame turrets, the motion trackers activate at a 41m radius even with undetectable in play, making all stealth builds, including the tunnel undetectable in its base kit, completely useless, yet never seems to be addressed bc ppl think it's fine when it's not

    Down vote me if you want, but this is the truth

  • JimbusCrimbus
    JimbusCrimbus Member Posts: 1,219

    Why are survivors in high MMR allowed to have exhaustion perks and second chances, both of which are designed for beginner players?

  • CautionaryMary
    CautionaryMary Member Posts: 802

    How are exhaustion perks, even extended out to (DS, OTR, and other second chances as whatever you deem them as) seen as beginner perks? DS is locked behind a paywall, same for OTR.

    I don't see your argument and if anything, if you want to do limitations to survivor perks for high MMR - the same would have to be done for killer, thus making high MMR comp based. High MMR is comprised of mobility based killers, so I don't see why you're saying high MMR survivors should not use Dead Hard (reaction time based), Sprint Burst (99%ing your Exhaustion), and Lithe (dependent on windows and pallets, new beginners do not know map tiles).

  • Terror_Misu
    Terror_Misu Member Posts: 58
    edited December 13

    Not sure about this… But! Distortion got nerfed into uselessness. So stealth is more dead than it was. Its still possible, but you have to try too damn hard with it usually not working out.

  • Emeal
    Emeal Member Posts: 6,604

    Nurse should not be able to AURA read while charging and holding her Breath before the Blink.

    There is no Nurse I have ever played against who would do meaningfully worse without it,
    all this would do is make cheap-blinks harder. And require the Nurse to have actual vision of the Survivor to land the blink.

    100% agreement here.

  • drag27
    drag27 Member Posts: 169

    umm, cause you're allowed to use whatever perks on whatever killer you want? also its not wallhacks, its aura read and its not like your aura is shown from start to finish when they use these perks, theres conditions to activate and it doesnt last long

  • GrimReaperJr1232
    GrimReaperJr1232 Member Posts: 1,743

    If I had to look at it from a Dev lens, I would ask the following questions…

    1. If we restrict Nurse from using aura perks, what about other killers that can hit through walls? (Pyramid Head, Artist, Unknown (if you're really good), Vecna, etc)
    2. What perks are left for Nurse to use, except for slowdown? This isn't me saying, "all survs want is slowdown Nurse," but instead, me asking what kind of build variety is left as restricting that too far is dull/annoying for both sides.
    3. It is not as simple as you think. People bring up "Spirit has it," but that works by outright deleting the survs model from the killer's PoV. If we perma-blind her, she won't be able to see gens (because of how it's coded). And if we only blind her while blinking, then what's the point? If you're close, her charge-up is short enough that she merely needs a second to know where you are, and then she'll be on top of you, that brief blindness having minimal effect. If you're far away, well, then you weren't in danger.