http://dbd.game/killswitch
Shoutout to Balrog
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I think I should have been more constuctive on the one liner "I got tunneld at 5 gens". I mean the discussion point is clear is it not?
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A lot of great replies here. @Leon_van_Straken that's actually wild, but i'd expect nothing less. As I said before, there's those of us, some even in this thread that have been moderated over nonsense. This one has been a bee in my bonnet for quite some time. Happy to share here, even more so if this is my last stand.
Shoutout for my first warning which occurred simply talking about Pinhead gameplay and didn't violate the forum rules in anyway, but still got escalated because apparently they tell me It was assumed by the mod that I was promoting DC'ing with the above post. I'm sorry, can you point that out in my post where encouraging DCs was? The one above was clearly talking about Pinhead and even left a gif of Pinhead, who was the topic of discussion even? Literally they can interpret what you say however they want and just justify it by how they feel when they take action against you. Worst part is, this is just 1 story out of many egregious moderation decisions. There are many more just like this and even worse as we're seeing people talk about their experiences.
We deserve better for sure.
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#Justicefor Unddedjester He deserves better. I know him for such a long time and he sits there writing hour long quality feedback for the devs and all they do is bann him and ignore him. Shame on you. You lost one of your best members.
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Huh. Well it's nice that you can search the @ name of people and sort by newest to effectively search comment and post history of someone.
My guess is a by-the-books moderator with no flexibility or case-by-case nuance would view this as "bashing" devs.
That… Or the back and forth with a mod made Jest feel chummy and they tried to DM them, which they may have done previously, and is a "please avoid the following" type of thing.
But with an influx of new mods my guess is a much stricter adherence to forum policy as written, even so much as to go overboard to attain metrics to show "their worth" as a moderator for the purposes of job retention. (because everything is based on numbers… yay)
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Well. As person who was banned from him. I can say he was active during summer
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These people probably don't get compensation since it is a volunteer position (I could be wrong though). From filling out their moderation application it doesn't seem like the requirements are even that much and they never asked for my age, relevant educational experiences or anything else. Like 4 or 5 short questions. Just food for thought about the application process and their motivations.
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Unban UndeddJester and ban me if you want to instead. They do more to help this game than most of us. If you ban people like the Jester, then you don't deserve to get any constructive feedback.
Ridiculous.
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this just feels like a group of friends of some dude who got banned and now are randomly groupping together to spit on the moderation team. (so i dont know how to feel about this)
i dont really see what this does nothing but trouble, especially since this is not really dbd related.i can only confirm that discord moderators are extremely wierd.
which are not even really connected to bhvr. its a people who are "passionate" about the game
and its fairly obvious how badly moderated it is.
one time i reported a person who griefed us in a swf and just gave up, zero precautions done, any other dbd server would have vc banned them or punished them for griefing their players in their community. but not dbd apperently.
you can guess that they continued with their bahavior with zero punishment to this day, since they are still an active member.
or the person who said they shouldnt have exposed the killswitch or think streetwise wasnt problematic
i do miss talking to the old community manager about th game because it opens up a new perspective.
how mmr works, how events works, ect ect.-7 -
i do agree that just spewing skill issue or us vs them without really saying anything else is just trolling.
(which is why i hate reddit's subs so much)
even if its an obvious one sided thing, just saying the same one line over and over with no substance is just as if, if not worse than saying the obvious one sided bias.-6 -
The forum rules are dumb. I got my warnings for such ridiculous reasons
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Ofcourse my answer is useless it´s like the whole topic which was only started to created us vs them.
If I had respond with "Yeah ban all Killers who get a Kill at 5 gens" than it would have been much more constructive and on topic…
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so reading this, i only remember "JocelyAwakens"
for her absurd comments about killswitch not meeting the critria for streetwise bug and how we should've never gotten to know about the killswtich feature in the discord.
so if this is true, its just a wierd bizzare thing to think about.0 -
Disappointed but not surprised. Shoddy moderation on the forum has been a constant. I've copped a month long ban for making a post defending the devs because I was slightly too sarcastic about it, and I've had posts removed for the reason that they were jokes, like that was the reason I was told they were removed.
Meanwhile, posts that are clear competitors in the "most obvious rage bait" tournament stay up for weeks. Banning one of the most positive users is entirely in line with the quality of moderation I expect.
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@AssortedSorting Has a point here.
With the search for new mods (and knowing that a lot of people saw the thread asking for volunteers) it's very possible that, to "prove their worth", some new mods are being a bit quick to take action (like basically any new employee who wants to "climb the ladder" does). In any job, not just this one, new people tend to be a tad too eager at the beginning.
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It’s absolutely diabolical.
💯 Without a doubt, and the forums lost a number of its most constructive members without a moment’s notice, not even a valid reason.
Wow, even you got banned before too?! Nah, bro that’s wild.
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if i said to that "us vs them" do you think this would do anything?
no, like, genuinely,
do you think this line would accomplish anything but most likely just piss you off and me to come off as a troll?.
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if i asked "why do you think killers should be banned?" is a much healthier alternative?. (even if its not really a serious idea to begin with)-2 -
They may not get monetary compensation, but it's still something you could put on a resume, great if you're a younger person to help make you stand out when job hunting in the future.
And that's likely why there isn't much to the application in the first place.
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I am not sure if you understand my point…
So I will try to make it simple with an example which isn´t dbd related.
If a post opens with the only things written would be "6 7" (the meme one) and I write under it thats not a discussion but just clickbait or trying to make an us vs them because some find it funny while other don´t I get the direct action by the admin saying I should stay on topic. So the post which would have been okay and on topic would have been "ROFL 6 7"
Both post neither the us vs them nor the 67 one have been impactful at all. But one gets tolerated as opinion?
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I see your point. Not to get too off-topic and unrelated to the discussion at hand, but if you have had the fortune of experiencing the modern day job hunting hell post covid, then I would say to anyone they'd be much better building their resume and/or CV with higher-quality and demanding volunteer work, or very relevant volunteer experience in your chosen career field, or like at a local Non-profit organization or getting experience on an executive board. Something that will get you past the AI application gatekeeper and get a human to see your application. Unless, of course the end goal of the job you are wanting experience to get a low-risk, low-impact job. Modern day job hunting is a flippin nightmare from the 7 layers of hell.
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I mean dude was kinda getting hostile
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4037476#Comment_4037476
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so you are mad the other guy didnt get the same warning, when he said it didnt break the rules and i have yet to see you post evidence of him doing so or what the other guy you complain about not getting a warn, said?.
which, wouldnt you know anyway since getting a warn isnt usually told to the person publically?.-2 -
We should write a list for all the people they banned, that didn‘t deserve it and the list is very long.
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I find my ban more “justified” , because my comments were targeting devs, so idk
Yet I didn't tell offensive towards personality or anything. No curses, just a competence commentory
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Still I am myself don’t support his ban even he showed “hostility” to me. He clearly just misread comment, and didn't understand my irony. I was SUPPORTING, because myself found 15 s endurance just encouraging killers guarantee wins before endgame. I use sarcasm too rare here people can’t get used to it sometimes treating messages too serious. I wasn't offended by his reaction.
Still, this is cherry picking. Either mods should completely forbid discussion with sentiment aka “x role is unbalanced” to prevent any kind of tribalism, or they should accept it’s impossible to avoid any emotions in such discussions, give people more freedom and as exchange just remove any upvotes/downvotes + banning everything that goes beyond discussion of game state, skill and touches personal life of commenters
I was involved in many arguments on this forum, and never felt being under threat or facing with hostile behaviour just because person got ridiculous reaction or perspective from my view
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They got banned??? Unless they suddenly said something awful then that's REALLY weird. I remember them always being pleasant to talk to, even when we disagreed.
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I know, right??? It'd be pretty out of character for them, and that's why I find it hard to believe someone who is always being pleasant and respectful is getting banned all of a sudden. Like, who next, @CountOfTheFog? Come on now, these are the folks who bring positivity, community, and discussion to the forums and you'd expect them to be last on the chopping block.
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Surprised I haven't been banned yet, honestly.
Figured it would've happened by now.
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All it takes is saying something that can be seen as rude to get a warning. It seems like if you make generalisations about groups of people, you can get away with saying pretty horrendous stuff. But if you so much as sneeze in the direction of another person, you get warned. That's why posts about how bad one side is, never seem to get moderated. Despite often being extremely inflammatory and rude.
For anyone wondering if Undedd will return, after their account was suspended last time, they popped up in my DM's about a month later to say hi. That was a month suspension, so that means this one was permanent, sorry to say.
UndeddJester was one of the most constructive and patient people on this forum, and this place will be much worse off with them gone.
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Gosh.. I really hope they aren't permabanned.
I mean, I have never had any problems with UndeddJester myself, and I have always seen their comments as both well-thought-out and civilized.
Pretty unbiased too, all things considered.3 -
Didnt know the whole context at the time
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The overwhelming support just goes to show how fed up everyone is. They can't ignore us forever, and at this point I don't think banning is going to solve anything. Only time will tell what happens
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Being a lurker of the forums for years (since 2017, before actually making the account in Dec 2018), I’ve observed and noticed a lot of wrongful actions taken to people who simply wish to discuss problems within the game and community and at this point I’m just going to speak my mind so bear with me here.
Moderation is meant to protect discussion, not control it. When rules are applied selectively, when bans are issued without clear cause, context is blatantly ignored, and when dissent is labeled “disruptive” simply for questioning decisions, moderation stops being stewardship and becomes domination.
My issue isn’t moderation itself, it’s that moderators are granted “power” without transparency, without consistent standards, and without meaningful accountability. Users are told to “follow the rules,” yet those rules are elastic when applied to favored voices and rigid when applied to dissenting ones. Bias hides behind vague justifications like “tone,” “attitude,” or “disruption,” terms broad enough to silence anyone who challenges prevailing narratives.
Power that answers only to itself inevitably becomes biased. Vague justifications, inconsistent enforcement, and the protection of favored users are not accidents; they are symptoms of a system designed to preserve moderation, not fairness.
Moderation rots through this quiet normalization.
I feel that a community can’t thrive when participation depends on compliance rather than contribution. Silencing criticism does not create order; it creates stagnation and I’m sticking to that belief, especially when bans require no clear explanation, when appeals are symbolic at best, and when moderators choose not to reflect, the community ceases to be a community. It becomes an uncomfortable space where participation is conditional upon compliance, not contribution.Healthy communities are built on mutual respect, consistency, and trust. “Power”-hoarding undermines all three (some users have spoken about this before, as if they’re walking on eggshells). Silencing criticism does not create harmony; it creates resentment and stagnation. A forum that fears its own users’ voices is already in decline.
The moderation that cannot tolerate scrutiny has already lost legitimacy imo.
There’s some amazing users on this forum, including here as well. You’re all awesome members who contribute to this forum and without you pushing out solid quality posts that bring up plausible arguments then it truly would be a barren place of conversation.
I’ll show my way out, logging off indefinitely, and I’ll see you guys in-game possibly. Later guys. 👍✌️ keep being amazing users of this forum.15 -
The thing is Im pretty sure theyve been banned before in the past, so it might be safe to say they are gone for good
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who?
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In any case, I find it pretty unreal that it happened now out of all times.
I have not seen any comments or posts from them that should really warrant a ban.
At least not as of late.6 -
I re-read the ban escalation rules earlier, and after the month ban, the next is a permanent ban. UndeddJester is indeed gone.
Honestly, a four strike system isn't a great way of determining whether a person has a positive impact on this community space. If the game itself had that system, we'd all be banned from playing. Four DC's = Permaban. Goodbye everyone.
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I've deleted at least three comments I was writing after realizing the topics covered in them, not the content within them, could be enough to get me warned or banned just for discussing them.
Being on other forums where Users are able to much more naturally induce conversations often has a more lenient policy to people who get warnings every year or so but is quick to catch people just wracking up instances where they act out.
So many beloved users here are presumably banned forever because they got a couple menial warnings nobody even remembers a few years back that still sticks to their record.
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I know right.
I know very well that while some takes might be controversial, they are also often full of fair and valid points.
Given all the things that has been taking place with the patches, from 9.1.0 and up until the current one, I get that the community mods might be fed up with every negative post and comment aimed at BHVR, but some constructive criticism should definitely not be a bannable reason.As someone who has moderated a lot of groups and Discord servers, I know very well when to draw the line, when it comes to what's fair and what's not.
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True. Here is one of many video evidences. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pzwtBXtHRg
Nepotism is disingenuous. I don't care how you twist or turn it, it's bad because it's unethical.
Sluzzy ban was where I lost all respect for the moderation team.
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powerful message here.
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The thing is you most likely dont see why someone is banned because the post which got them banned is usually removed. Someone can also be banned despite not doing anything because they might have evaded a previous ban.
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While I dont agree with the general tone of OP, I have to say I am actually surprised that UndeddJester got banned. I am quite active on the Forums and I have never seen them write anything which I would see as an infraction, let alone that it was so severe that it can be escalated to a ban. And I think as someone with several thousand posts (if I remember correctly), even IF they wrote something which is against the Forum Rules, the Mods should be lenient if you are in general friendly and helpful. There is a big difference between someone having 1000 positive posts and one which is against the rules and someone who has 10 positive posts and one post which is against the rules.
Even tho I want to remind people that the Forum Rules dont need to mean that someone was writing something bad or was insulting someone. You also get Warning Points for e.g. circumventing the Forum Filter, e.g. if you write a slur in a way that it does not trigger the filter, even if you are basically censoring yourself. (e.g. by using a star to remove one Letter)
But I also have not seen this done from UndeddJester, so I am honestly hoping that this was some kind of mistake or misunderstanding. And if not that at least the Ban was not the final escalation and "only" the 1 month ban.
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I’m not alone on this I got banned for a month just for making a sarcastic comment about censorship and he said “don’t make light of serious issues”
I never said anything hurtful and offensive at all?
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Really unfortunate to read all of this
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Edit: I can't work the forums and I'm stupid. Disregard my repost. Here's this instead:
NEVER FORGET THIS
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i am 100% certain this person did not post anything so nothing was deleted and 100% certain this person was never previously banned or even given a warning so could not be any thing to do with any ban evasion.
Its not an isolated incident either, there have been many others that have been banned over nothing at all or very little which is why the forums are a joke and cant be taken seriously. It takes it to a whole new level…. banning people for being offensive or unpleasant is one thing but warning or banning people for silly reasons like "not staying on topic" is something else. i mean how many times have discussions gone a little off track during the course of a debate especially when so many things are linked? That can get someone banned here.
doing one thing in the game is fine, but admitting to doing that one thing in the forums can get a perma ban from the forums… why? if its not bannable in the game then why is it bannable to admit doing it in the forums? The whole thing is a joke imo and in a way im happy this situation is being acknowledged by the community.
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Yeah, I have noticed that people who make generalizations about “survivor mains” or “killer mains” can say whatever insulting and divisive things that they want and (at least from what I can tell) never get punished for it. It would be so healthy for this forum to have rules against those types of posts and also have those rules consistently enforced.
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Every time I've popped into these forums after taking a break from the game and regaining interest, UndeddJester has consistently been one of the most pleasant voices in discussions here.
Of course, it's possible that everything I think I know about their character is wrong and they said something utterly unforgivable in a deleted post I don't know about. But, at least based on my previous experience with them, I think it's way more likely that minor infractions that would happen to essentially anyone using a forum for long enough have added up to this permaban, and if that's the case, IMO it's ridiculous.
Good faith community members should usually not be permabanned as a general rule IMO. If someone is otherwise a good community member but has crossed a line because after who knows how many hours of forum usage they made a post that was slightly too mean-spirited for a mod's liking, that's what a temporary ban is for.
A permaban is essentially a statement that the community needs to be protected from this person, like they're a repeated bad faith actor, or they've exhibited values that are fundamentally hostile to other community members, or they've done something similarly unforgivable, and they can't be allowed to continue abusing access to the community. I'd be amazed if anyone in this community, even the mods, really, seriously believe UndeddJester meets any of those standards
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Nothing what UndeddJester said was a bannable offense. His last comment was merely an opinion.
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I mean yeah, it's easy to say "nepotism bad". But it happens literally everywhere. It's human nature to want to do your friends & family favors, it's human nature to become attracted to people you spend time with the most. E: there's a reason it's said that it's about who you know, not what you know. That it happened (and likely continues to happen) at BHVR is hardly surprising.
I do wonder about the exact details of Morf & others being kicked off the fog whisperer program, or the exact details of each individual leaving the company. But it's stuff we're never going to know the full story of, and it's probably better for everyone that way. A lot of it's ancient history at this point anyway.
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Nepotism prioritizes personal relationships over merit. It's a conflict with meritocracy. It's also gaining an unfair advantage. Outsiders are easily shunned because of this. We'll end up with incompetent professionals because they were put in a position that they don't belong.
I remember every detail but I'm unsure if anyone cares enough to read it. That's why I made a short summarization. Not that this thread last anyway once the weekend has passed.
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