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15 Second Basekit BT is here to stay, but why should it be allowed to benefit beyond tunneling?
Why are you allowing survivors to take advantage beyond tunneling? If a survivor blatantly unhooks right in front of the killer, why can the unhooked survivor bodyblock? Basekit Borrowed Time should ONLY benefit the affected survivor. The other survivor should be fair game, and all other effects should be shutoff for the BT survivor, including body blocking.
It's bad enough that they can't use existing methods to survivor (looping, zillions of windows and pallets, gen rushing), do killers need to be handicapped further?
Basekit BT should be viewed in the prism of what it is - an anti-tunneling, anti-camping effect. All other survivors should not benefit from this, starting with bodyblocking.
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killer is insanely easy as is. Literally get gift wrapped 1k at end game if you can get a knock.
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Cornball thinks the game is killer sided
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Best would be to remove basekit borrowed time at all. It pushes farms and braindead saves and unhooked survivors blocked your way for the duration and then they are suprised that they got tunneled. There are also quite a few killers ignoring borrowed time, so… Removing it entirely and instead pushing survivors for more skillfull gameplay would be more interesting.
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Welcome back to prehistoric versions of DBD. Where camping was the easiest and 100% uncounterable strategy. Where borrow time was mandatory for every survivor and if anyone did not bring it, he was trolling. Where killers had to get 1 chase for 3K guaranteed should survivors not take the mandatory perk - by just staying in a single spot not really playing the game.
Basekit BT is a direct response of abuse. Similar to say nerf to the ground of boil over (compared to busted version we had where hooking was impossible in number of maps)
But sure. If those were the good times, then let's bring other busted things from those same times. Now DS has just 2 condition to activate - killer picking survivor up and survivor hitting skillcheck. If he hits it, killer gets stunned for 5s. No hook condition, no repeat condition. Fair right? Like no basekit BT times…
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The issue is that unfortunately trying to remove body blocking causes more problems that it's worth.
- Removing no clip between Survivor and Killer actually makes it easier to body block cause you can sit in the killers model, and the killer cannot not hit you.
- Tying it to protection hits allows killers to subvert it by hitting the unhooker as they go for the unhook, and then hit the unhooked Survivor while the injured Survivor is within 16m to bypass their BT.
- Chase mechanics have similar issues where they can be bypassed by simply entering chase with the other survivor after they unhook to down.
Its actually quite hard to get rid of the body blocking problem without doing something crazy...
E.g. make Survivors off hook ethereal or something and make it physically impossible to hit or interact with them for the duration of BT.... which means there is genuinely no way to stop them when running to gate...
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The reason we got basekit BT in the first place is because prior to 6.1 despite it being an altruistic perk, many people still brought it, suggesting a strong need for it. (This is also why I think people wanting every other perk to be basekit is a bad idea)
Did you play survivor before 6.1? I don't think you realise how bad, uninteractive and unskillful gameplay could be if your unhooker didn't bring BT and farmed you. Like Gandor points out, the killer could insta down you off hook with zero counter. The only true prevention to this was DS, so if you want everyone to start bringing 5 second DS go ahead. :)
Basekit BT doesn't even encourage insta farming survivors off hook because if your death hook teammate just got hooked, you should leave them there where they cannot be tunneled. I just had a game where someone unhooked my tunnel target and they died a whole minute earlier than they should have because of it.
They recently nerfed two of the biggest BT ignorers (Soma Singularity and OG Pain Pinhead) but imo survivors should just be 100% ethereal to killer powers for maybe 1 or 2 seconds off hook so you can't do stuff like Dracula Hellfire and Artist Severed Hands.
In general though, 15 second BT is probably too long but if it has to stay Deliverance needs to be gutted because that's a brainless perk that encourages farming teammates and tunnelling the unhooked survivor.
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tell me your trash at first person games with out telling me. Couldn’t handle a regular fps so you had to switch to dbd💩
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😭Come 1v1 then how bout that?
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That literally doesn’t prove anything in the context of killer is easier than survivor? 😂 you’re nice at fp games but suck at dbd? Is that what you’re getting at? You be be getting 1-2ks every game😂😂
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"Genius" thinks the game is survivor sided. How can they make it any easier for you now lol
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It will just be you running pallet to pallet with Windows of Noobritunity telling everyone "Ahm Goood"
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You wrote a lot here and not sure you answered my question. Im not complaining about Basekit BT. Im complaining about 1) Length of it and 2) having other negative side effects to the game such as bodyblocking. It should be there for tunneling and camping, thats it. Why would you be allowed to just unhook right in front of someone and think that's acceptable as yet another perk. It should block you from hitting the person coming off hook. Thats it. Everything else is just yet another handicap to make bad players never get better.
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But they turn off bodyblocking all the time when the killer strikes. I don't get your argument here - I think its too complex to explain something that should be simple and fair.
- You got Basekit BT
- You got an additional 5 seconds
- You got an unhook yourself counter
Now you think it's ok to also get a bodyblock? When is enough enough?
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Camping is completely counterable. Its called doing gens. You do gens while the killer stupidly sticks around where nothing is happening. 3k is a win.
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You're only moderate at the game because they've handicapped the killer so badly. 2 years ago you'd have been rage quitting and slamming your keyboard on stream at your skill issues 🤣
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OK I see why you say this and in general its kinda annoying that use their unhook protection to take hits for their Survivor friends. I am in full agreement on that point, but how would you fix this problem?
The only way I see it would be to make the Server make survivors who take unhook protection hits to go down instead.
and it would need some needlessly complicated 5 second grace period to separate the Survivors after hook otherwise tunneling and camping is getting strengthen. This would also make endgame collapse saves way harder as if everyone is running the same way, its possible the server detects a protection hit and the unhooked goes down.In theory this could work, but idk about consequences.
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if this guy played before 2021 😭
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To be perfectly fair, over half of the game's life span at this point has either been totally fair to Killer or mostly in Killer's favor. It's not at all unrealistic to think the game is easy by comparison.
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thats current situation. Not the case proposed. If this thread gets ignored, you are right. If it doesn't, well. 2018 dbd is back… except survivors back then had also unfair things running for them (like much better bnp, shorter gen times, easier to 5-gen chase if you knew how, etc)
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They should honestly bring back losing collision, they could even make it so you only lose collision with the killer and not with other survivors to make it harder to intercept hits since you can't stand on top of the other survivor. It benefits literally everyone. People getting legitimately tunneled can't be blocked in order to burn their endurance timer and simultaneously you can't use it aggressively, it's the best of both worlds.
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