I’m really happy that can win without camping, slugging, and tunneling.

I find their power encourages macro play, which does encourage tunneling. info is power, and all that. but I guess power comes with responsibility.

When I said “used to” i mean that they expect you to play like a tryhard. Not necessarily win. If you are maintaining wins without tryharding this means you are better than the survivors overall. You may be worse compared to one or two or three of them, but this is a team game.

If the team has a weak link which causes the loss, then this is not a problem of tunneling, this is a skill/matchmaking issue. There are many different games in which a weak link alone can cost you the match and dead by daylight is not unique in this matter. Why shouldnt the survivors all have to be better than the killer?

If you want a 1v1 game, dbd is not it. Instead you can play ranked ladder where all they do is timed chases or a different 1v1 game altogether.

If you told me that tunneling is a problem because blight can return to the hook from 40 metres and then down the savior then immediately after tunnel the unhooked then i’d agree with you because that is truly unbalanced.

Your argument boils down to a weak link or lack of coordination which is in essence an issue of matchmaking and lack of comms for solo, on which I agree with you. Again not a problem of “cheese” strats. Also I defend both killer and survivor, check my first comment in this thread. i think that, outside of biased mains, many players also dont care, so your generalization is unnecessary.

Y'all should check NL stats and tell me what you think would happen to them if hypothetically BHVR somehow magically removed tunneling from the game:

You take away tunneling, and it gets a lot easier to see which killers they need to balance. Take away what is inflating the winrates, and see where the averages land.

I am pretty sure we will see more killer buffs if they take away the ability to tunnel

Temporarily the killrates would drop (either a little, or a lot, it depends on how many killers rely on tunnelling for their wins) and then stabilise back up after players adjust.

Your argument boils down to a weak link or lack of coordination which is in essence an issue of matchmaking and lack of comms for solo, on which I agree with you.

Most games are poorly matched. If three survivors are good, one is bad, and the killer is average, the killer is likely to win. Matchmaking shouldn't be what maintains kill rates. The game is beyond broken if everything comes down to bad matchmaking and almost nothing comes down to skill.

Why shouldnt the survivors all have to be better than the killer?

Why should four people be better than one to win? If two are better and two are on the same level they shouod also win. If all five are equal it should be anyone's game. It shouldn't be that the killer just wins unless every other player is more skilled than them.

Also I defend both killer and survivor, check my first comment in this thread. i think that, outside of biased mains, many players also dont care, so your generalization is unnecessary.

Don't care about what? I don't know what you're referencing, nor did I call you a killer main or anything.

If there was a rule in golf that said you got -1 on every hole if you played naked with a rubber chicken sticking out of your butt, no one would argue that it wasn't the optimal way to play. You could ask, "Why wouldn't I take every advantage that's afforded within the rules?" and you would have a point.

You'd still look ridiculous, though

OK. Can you post just one match of your killer gameplay?

Pretty bold to say my skill or stealth failed me without actually seeing it. You're also forgetting that the game is designed so that Killers will get you eventually, regardless of skill. If I shared that match, would you be able to tell me what I should have done better, or just differently? I doubt it.

Stream sniping is quite rare, and pretty impossible to tell is even happening. We can suspect it's happening, sure, but we can never know. Maybe that Nemesis did just follow my pools of blood, and Survivors don't really have a way to hide those, apart from running No Mither.

Well, to be fair, NightLight isn't a good way to find stats.

You can maybe point out broad trends, but other than that, it isn't usable data.

Even if I didn't fail, I still would have died, because tunneling is just that busted. Otherwise, the anti-tunnel perks would actually work. And then the Killers would have stopped a long time ago. Tunneling is a cancer that is harming the game as a whole for both roles. If by whatever miracle Survivors are countering your tunneling, then you absolutely deserve to be teabagged at the exit gates.

Use certain items, fine. Shortcuts, no, that's just cheating. It makes no difference if it's technically allowed in the game.

This isnt about SWF, it applies to any survivor team, but if you're on par with the killer how is it carrying? It's only being carried if one great teammate somehow brings a team of people worse than the killer to victory, which is unlikely in this game unless the killer over commits, which means they weren't very knowledgeable to begin with.

Using is an interesting word choice, though it suits you well. Idk where one shops for friends in order to find superior teammates. Like, who is actively seeking that out? Most people play with people they like. I can bring up the opposite scenario, where I play with many people who are reckless and usually die and are thus detrimental to my ER.

Those aren't shortcuts, they're just alternate routes. Cutting through the middle of the track, NOT taking those alternate routes you speak of, is cheating.

Tunneling may give you wins, but it also stunts your growth as Killer. You're not improving, you're not learning anything about the game or the Killer you're playing as. When you actually spread the hooks and the pressure, you might lose some games, but that's not intentionally losing, is it? When you stand there and just let the Survivors do their thing, that is intentionally losing. It's not just made up rules, it's ruining the game as a whole, and it needs to be addressed.

It would be nice if tunneling was balanced the same way other things in the game are. But judging by how people reacted to the possibility of any kind of anti-tunnel changes, I wouldn’t hold your breath.

They should win or lose, yes, but that's rarely how it goes. If the five are equal in skill the killer will more likely win.

I'm not saying they should win every time automatically, I'm saying four people shouldn't be required to all be better than one in order to win. Win doesn't mean 4e. It could be a 3e and the one who dies might be the on-par one. If I, myself, am on par with the killer, my better teammates won't carry me. It's going to be a 1v1 at some point. They might survive but I might die. If you have a 4man and everyone's in a different MMR bracket, and the game throws you a mid killer, those weaker players are still in danger. It's not like they just rat the whole match while the stronger players do everything. This isn't just a party thing either. There's duos and trios too. You don't know when a 3man is quietly carrying your soloing self to victory as well. I think it happens a lot more than people realize.

You also use your teammates as shields, so you're not really in a position to talk about being carried while you take zero aggro and let people die so you alone can escape. They're carrying you without knowing by you refusing to play as a teammate.

If you gain MMR you aren't ready for you'll be in the exact scenario I'm currently in as killer—you'll lose until it goes down. That's how it goes.

People lobby dodge like crazy in soloq, partly because they want to find good team mates then can do the work for them so they get easier wins

You seem to always know exactly why everyone does everything.

The same exact people that complain about gen speeds in this forum defend tunneling.

A low-hour killer can successfully tunnel a survivor with 10x the hours. The games whole structure is currently unfair. Survivors are expected to have way more knowledge and skill. It's one thing for the killer to have more in-game power, it's another for low hour players to win against higher ones through only one single method because they wouldn't manage against them any other way.

The notion that something is “unfair” should stem from what is fair play (playing within the rules and regulations of the game), not some arbitrary opinion of what your opponents like and dislike.

Or you could just decide for yourself to have decent sportsmanship, or notice that people constantly complain about it and it's making the playerbase unhappy. Just because a thing is legal doesn't mean it's right. Most people also think spawn sniping is gross and skill-less, yet it's still within your ability to do it.

I would like to see you play twins

NightLight is far too small of a sample size to be taken seriously. It has always underreported kill rates.

There's usually only 10,000 games per month reported. There's probably 10,000 games per HOUR in DBD.