Can we stop nerfing soloq please?

I didn't bring up MMR, someone else did when ghoul was brought up and it was brought up that ghoul is at like #8 in terms of kill rate. Then the reply said "that's at average MMR" which is what brought MMR into the discussion.

To which i'm stating that, if you balance the game at top MMR you must contend with the fact that the game is horribly balanced at that level and the vast majority of killers are not viable. Which even the most survivor main apologist content creators understand and agree with.

Nowhere did i say anything about how I was in "top MMR" or anything like that. I am simply stating facts about the game.

Tbh, that's something I wish I could understand for these players and my massive capper MMR that's pairing me w/ these people. I just find it boring to play with and against bad players.

Matches are just not going how they should, and when the stats begin to lie because of how people misplay, then BHVR is going to balance around these stats and that just ends up making the game's balance worse for veterans and experienced players even more than recent changes already have.

Like Survivor is on a whole nother level of broken atm, especially in a SWF, which is why so many people just play A tiers or better nowadays in response. Those killers need changes, but so does survivor and SWF utilization in a single patch, because otherwise one role will continue to dominate the other rather than being more like a 50/50 that would change more based on how good the players are (more skill expression, less reliancy on existing broken resources liie powers, perks, items and add ons, plus ____ sided maps)

Doing all that takes awhile, but it is possible, and it needs to happen for the love of the game balance. That's why I play competitive and DBD Ranked sometimes, I get burnt on pubs and want to play the game with at least some attempt at balancing and actually realistic match outcomes and plays.

For as much as I see people push the chat wheel idea, nobody ever seems to think about the impacts that has on the rest of the game. Then again, they also don't tend to realize that the updated HUD information already almost all of the information that a chat wheel would, just without the whole idea of "being able to tell other people what to do." Almost anything you would want to convey through a chat wheel can be gleaned by paying attention to things like player statuses, their progress bars, the chase indicators, etc. The crux of the argument comes from wanting to force your teammates to utilize that information smarter, and this game was never designed around that. For anyone newer, believe it or not people used to be able to make those types of calls without any of that information, with the most you'd get being people being injured/down/hooked and maybe if the obsession was in chase.

Meanwhile if its spoken, you need to create new voice lines for all the actors. Then you have to decide whether it can be heard by the killer or not, and the consequences that would have for either decision. Obviously this would cause extra issues with celebrity voices. If not spoken, the same question applies regarding whether the killer can see it or not. All of this also hinges on the multilingual playerbase of the game as well: Only English? Match the client's language? Since different languages have shorter or longer ways of saying the same thing, now you have to localize everything in a way where meaning is maintained while keeping the text concise enough to not flood the screen with clutter text. And you better put a long cooldown on everything regardless of the method so you don't get L4D-tier callout spam.

Its never as simple as just putting a speech wheel in because other games which were designed around them are able to have them. This game was designed around limited communication, and the updates to the HUD have been an honestly great way of giving players the ability to get that information themselves, without running into those caveats in either application or usage. I'll always go back to kindred as my example on the subject: Everyone wants it basekit, all 4 survivors benefit when even a single person does, it becomes even stronger regarding hated strategies like camping, it supplements the HUD information extremely well, when taken personally it fills all of the info gaps the moment someone is on a hook, its not a p2w perk, yet nobody takes it because they need to keep room in their loadout for a literal yellow paint perk that stunts growth.

Sorry for getting a bit sidetracked, I just really hate the quick chat idea.

That's where I think the wheel would help, for people that haven't sunk thousands of hours in the game, or who have but just haven't developed any gamesense. At the very least, it'd be nice to be able to tell someone not to unhook you in the killer's face.

Thats all well and good, but the fact that they aren't developing those skills means they are more likely to provide bad or pointless information with it than they are to properly assist someone. And unfortunately, everything is always everyone else's fault other than whoever is the one making the complaint. Since the information is redundant when properly digested, it becomes extra noise every time that kind of feature is utilized, and sometimes can contradict the HUD information if misinterpreted. The point of solo queue is supposed to be doing your best to work toward a shared goal within your own capacity while complimenting the successes and failures of your teammates doing the same: The moment survivors start taking over each other's agency instead of simply supporting it, that goes even further off base.

This is unfortunately a game where someone could have over 2000 hours, but have spent something like 1500 of them just watching a progress bar fill. While the average ratio is obviously nowhere near that, the point is that you don't have to learn how to play in every aspect to succeed beyond your abilities, something that obviously also applies to killers who overrely on LCD strats. My point is that I don't want those people to misinterpret information at me as a player when I may have already digested the correct information with the HUD and perks I have brought, especially since it then creates a point of frustration in that player if I don't heed their callout spam. If you've never seen an argument in a pub match in a MOBA or tactical FPS, people tend to get really angry when others don't follow their orders, especially when they're objectively bad calls. I feel it would hurt the community more than it would help it, especially given the fact its really not necessary.

Edit: forgot to mention, but thank you for talking about using perks to complement the HUD info as well as alternative info from perks like Empathy, as I feel like they really are something people don't practice enough.

I mean, what I'd personally like to see more than anything is a comprehensive tutorial, in-game tips, and more varied matchmaking criteria

100%. There is a lot to onboard in the game with its evolution over time, so both sides would benefit from a more robust way to learn immensely. I remember LoL expanded their active tutorial in a way that was a lot more in depth but let you earn multiple characters for free, so it both incentivized and actively rewarded you not to skip them. A small bribe with something like shards or choosing a few perks for each side to start unlocked would go a long way toward helping players improve more naturally if the contents are done right, and people are willing to go through it. I'd definitely want those incentives to be tied to the tutorials for both sides though, as in needing to do both (or maybe a much smaller incentive if only doing one.) Survivors understanding the basics of killer gameplay and vice versa improves you just as much at your role of choice, and the perspective is obviously helpful in general.

Matchmaking that can recognize productive players (and team wins) would help this playerbase's mindset a lot.

#BringBackTheEmblemSystem2026

it rewarded skill far more than just survival, and required engaging in multiple facets of your responsibility to your role. All it needed were some adjustments to some scoring conditions and values, and a few fixes for fringe cases (like killer powers preventing certain categories from really working, or survivor categories being particularly lopsided.)

As for the wheel, if agency is an issue, it's not s though you have to obey.

That is true, but that doesn't mean people won't persist in trying. It was notorious in games like L4D because there was almost no delay between calls, but even in games that have them, people don't necessarily give up. Even if you put in an anti-spam measure (like a 1 minute lockout or something similar) that just tilts the player even further, making them become more of a liability.

In keeping with the spirit of survivor, it could also be a limited resource, like each player can only use it three times or something.

Interesting idea, but again, I just don't feel that its necessary or helpful enough. Since you have no way of verifying the player's abilities like you would in an SWF, you have no idea if the messages are even misleading or not.

Personally I think this stuff would mostly benefit others over me. I don't really need training wheels anymore. The matchmaking is what I really want for myself.

And thats very respectable. The main issue is that a system like that doesn't really discern that, so you can just as easily have medicore players misleading newer/worse ones, people purposely giving bad intel, or just setting up incorrect expectations. Its not about the people who would use it to its fullest, its the ones who would make it a net negative.

I know someone who has almost 5k hours, all in survivor. Far more than me, especially since my hours are split with killer. She's utterly clueless. I had to explain to her I was letting go because the match was lost and I wanted her to go for hatch. She then also equipped a hatch offering, not understanding one was enough. She also can't identify killer perks to save her life. It's quite shocking. I don't know how you can play that long and know nothing, nor do i know how to fix that particular problem, though the in-game tips might help.

Yep, and I'll be the first to admit I played the game for a long time before really buckling down on a lot. As you mentioned she only plays survivor, would she maybe be interested in learning a bit of a simpler killer like Wraith? It might actually help quite a bit with the types of things you're trying to teach, as a lot of the less intuitive stuff on the survivor side tends to come from how it affects the killer role, like leading chases away from contested areas, balancing hook states, when to use things like bodyblocks or stealth, etc. Honestly intuitiveness is probably the word I would use on how to improve the learning process in the game as a whole. The right ideas should come more naturally than they do at times.

There are some restrictions on killers, but usually those are due to the perk creating a boring match (I.E. NOED) and less about them being OP. For example with old myers the addon for insta kill was restricted. But any person who plays comp will tell you that it wasn't because it was OP, it was because it was boring, every just immediately jumps in a locker and the addon never actually gets used anyway and just leads to the match being really boring.

When you look at survivors the restrictions are much more heavy handed. And again it also depends on the killer played. There's a big difference between the reason that NOED is banned say vs multiple survivors being able to run DS

I am asking for YOUR opinion. You say there are only 5 killers that are viable at high MMR. Is that from your experience or from what the comp scene wants you to believe is true?

Thank you for your personal ratings. I won't try to debate them because they are your opinion and you are entitled to it.

I will say that from my experience both as survivor and killer, I have a completely different list which has quite a bit more killers above C tier, but this definitely sheds some light on your stance on the matter.

Please read the entire post and it explains the reasoning for the list.

TLDR (because apparently you didn't): If you took the best killer player in the world for each killer, and pit them against best 4 survivors in the world and had them play each other on the same map with the same mapgen/RNG (and we assume its a "balanced" map) and they played 100 games, i would make the tiers based on the outcome of those 100 games.

I come from fighting games, and that is the closest comparison we can get in DBD because of the asymmetry. Yeah i like Street fighter you look at that matchup for each character against each other character. But we don't have that. So what we do is the best we can with DBD. And when you look at matchups and tier lists and fighting games, you don't look at how good necessarily the players are. If you are low MMR in those games but a bad matchup that isn't going to mean as much in those games. This is precisely why tier lists in those games look at "What is the maximum capability of this character when played at the optimal level?" So in DBD terms, you assume that the tools and abilities being brought are the best tools for the job.