New Killer is totally broken

You are not supposed to be able to react to his vine attack, you are supposed to predict it and dodge early enough. If you could just react to the vine attack by dodging only once the vine attack is visually shown, it would be absolutely useless against good survivors that can react quick enough, and nobody would want to play Vecna in that case.

Pretty sure if the delay was 0.25 seconds longer the ability would become way too dodgeable and playing as Vecna would become insanely frustrating.

I also have serious doubts that DBD will lose half of its playerbase over Vecna. In fact I have seen quite a few people say that they enjoy going against Vecna.

I don't know that The First is necessarily completely broken, but I think a few things could be tweaked to give survivors some loop ability (especially on indoor maps). Some of the main issues I've noticed:

1. On indoor maps, it is incredibly hard to dodge/go around the vine attacks. The paths are simply not wide enough in any of the locations to not be read like a book by a half decent killer player. Like, even if I do predict where he's going to put it down, there often isn't a lot I can do. If I run back to dodge (which often times is the only option you have on an indoor map), then I just instantly get hit with an M1 because there is virtually no cooldown after he uses the vine attack. I think either slightly reducing the radius of the vine attack circle or adding a slightly longer cooldown after the attack would make this killer a lot less oppressive on indoor maps. I don't think they should take either of these nerfs too far if they do make them, though. It would be a shame if this new really fun killer got nerfed into the ground IMO.
2. It seems to be too easy to activate worldbreaker mode for how powerful it is. The reason I say it's powerful is it gives you the range of a nurse without actually leaving your spot, meaning you can pinch survivors to guarantee damage if you are in a corridor of sorts if you use this power strategically (if the surv runs straight they get hit with the vine attack, if they run back they run into you and take a basic attack). Do I think this should be nerfed? Not necessarily, because there is a counter (doing the clocks to make the mode end quicker). I kind of wonder if addressing what i said in point 1 would fix this anyways, as it might be more difficult for the killer to gain tokens with some slight adjustments to the vine attack. It might still be nice to implement some kind of cooldown on the worldbreaker mode, though. For example, when it ends the killer can't reactivate it for 30 seconds or something.

My best advice for anyone trying to figure out how to counter this killer that is feeling entirely lost is to start looping The First like you'd loop a Nurse. This killer can't really be mind gamed around a pallet or something like others, as he can place his vine attack wherever he wants inside of the placeable radius around him (20-30 meters, not sure where exactly this ends). It's almost better to hold W and look for some tall obstacles to block yourself from the killer's line of sight. Do some silly pathing once they can't see you, continue bobbing and weaving through different obstacles. It's also better to deny the worldbreaker tokens and just take an M1 if you are in a position where you have to choose between that and the vine attack. Perks that disguise your scratchmarks are strong against this killer, as breaking line of sight is your best line of defense.

I hope they don't do a huge nerf. Once I started playing against him with the same mindset as I play against a nurse, I was doing a lot better. Those first few matches where I was getting a feel for him were BRUTAL, but that makes sense. You can't loop this killer like you loop other killers in this game (with the exception of nurse) or you will get downed VERY quickly. When that was figured out, I can extend my chase a bit longer now. I really do think some minor adjustments are in order (either a longer cooldown on a missed vine attack or a smaller radius for the vine attack) but nothing too major really needs to be done.

I did witness a vine attack coming out of a wall rather than the floor twice on Tuesday and thought this was a super busted mechanic (this happened in Hawkins and the vines spread across like 75% of the hallway width and were not passable), but have since realized that was a bug (its only supposed to be placed on floors). I unfortunately don't have clips or game log from when these instances happened so I've just been waiting for it to happen again so I can make an official report with a clip lol

Yeah, I really only take issue with the vine attack sniping too easily and the ease that aura reading provides. And we can all expect he'll be nerfed when the chapter's over since that happens like clockwork. But I think he's been designed so delicately that one wrong move and he's dead in the dust.

Aura reading doesn't change the fact that you can still predict the vine attack and dodge early enough though. Of course aura reading does help him quite a bit, as it eliminates his guess work on where survivors are when they break line of sight. But the vine attack is still dodgeable beyond that. If you predict the vine attack correctly, you can dodge it.

Running unpredictably and dodging are valid counterplays against Vecna whether he has sight on you or not. It#s too early to tell if he'll need a small nerf or not, but so far he seems pretty balanced to me.

I mean it's fine if it wasnt as frequent, but you get to attack so often making a mistake doesnt matter at all, that cannot be argued.

He needs to be left alone. He's one of the most balanced killers ever to come out of PTB. If we tweak or adjust him its going to just ruin the character..Do we really need another killer that just gets ruined….again?

Skill issue

"you don't need to interact with anything and you can take health states"

This is just false. Survivors have to dodge this power much like nurse, the only difference is nurse gets an instant hit. Vecna takes multiple vine attacks before an injury occurs.

"As an Unknown player seeing Krasue and now Vecna, or even like you compare his power to say Nemesis or P.head, what's the excuse there?"

I do agree Unknown needs some buffs again. However, we cannot forget Unknown can get to the other side within an instant due to his TP. Krasue and Vecna cannot. This needs to be considered. My point stands. Unknown still needs some buffs. Nemesis only needs 2 total tentacle hits for injury. He does have zombies that cause distractions and annoy survivors to give him a chance to make his way to the other side of the map. PH gets an instant injury everytime. He shouldn't have mobility.

"So many killers are getting left to rot and they keep making new ones instead of helping the ones we love."

I advocate for this a lot. You know this. I wouldn't argue this point. Lots of killers do need love whether buffs, QOL or bug fixes.

Hope this clears up anything.

Isn't that too obvious already?

Expect nerfs like longer CD on power ( one way or another ), nerfs on addons or making him massively addon-dependent or range nerf. Stuff like this will make him more ''manageable'' but extremely unpleasant to play as so he joins the forgotten killer group once the sales are done and sufficient money has been gathered.

It doesn't clear anything up you just prove my point more, I think all you have to do is play against him on midwhich with no aura read protection when he has an aura read build for you to actually get some context.

It's an extreme case but it shows how badly designed they can be, this also goes for nurse actually. No its not the map, it's a perfect example of a map which should be used for testing to point out these issues early.

Unknown also loses their apparitions at a single channel, then has to go back there and wait for it to replace, that needs to be considered, not just mister pancake who can go through breakable walls and windows at high speed. Nemesis still needs to strike twice and needs to be in range, Vecna has clocks that can be used as information tools with addons.

P.head doesn't need mobility, he needs better control on his projectile, its horrible and clunky, and it takes time to prepare and shoot and then it takes time to come out, Vecna is a point and click adventure game that you can keep spamming while moving quickly and have full camera control.

Also you missed the point re interaction: He doesn't use windows, he doesn't use pallets, he barely respects walls. That's not good design at all.

Extreme maybe, I'm more just upset unlicensed killers get the short end of the stick most of the time, so maybe it's emotionally charged. I do enjoy playing against him tbf, I just don't like how spammy it is while my killer literally has such a long CD and I have to charge up my shot too AND it has travel time, also it has more chance to go wrong coz it bounces.

He just gets to point and then click, and reward until it works.

As for P.head you barely see him for such an iconic character, even with the rework people dislike playing him? Why? Clunky lol, that's the common consensus from any SH fan I know who plays this game.

4.4 doesn't really matter much when your radius to hurt others is a huge circle around you, plus then you have the mobility albeit a long CD, I don't use it to try and land hits, I use it to close distance/go to a new target.

It'll get changes for sure, I don't think he'll be nerfed to uselessness, given how they've handled Kaneki, I imagine he'll probs not be able to hit as often again.

Please, PLEASE, make a way for survivor to lose infection or whatever the power is called. Not having a way to remove the red infection just make tunneling even easier for him. Is not fun.

As I pointed out in a different reply, "everyone" is simply not true. There are enough people that think he is fine.

Also, his vine attack delay is fine. If you could react to his vine attack, it would be useless. So that's probably not getting nerfed. The only thing I can see getting nerfed is the recharge time of his vine attack, which probably should see a 2 second nerf or something like that, so he can't spam his power quite as much as right now.

Zoning can be further nerfed by increasing his cancel cooldown duration though. I think if they do that and increase the recharge time of Vecna's power a bit, he'd be in a perfect spot.