Slugging and tunneling

Slugging is a symptom, not an issue to be addressed as itself. Tunneling is a valid strategy. All attempts to force killers to play a certain way have only added new trolling tools for survivors to use as weapons against killers as that last shitshow of a PTB showed. Gen speeds are so fast now that you can just leave the survivor on the hook for as long as possible without giving a free state and, if the killer is camping, you'll pop all five before they die on hook. Bonus, you can take Shoulder the Burden and just completely win for free if the killer hasn't been hunting everyone else in the meantime.

Yes, you absolutely can. If you put pressure on multiple sources at the same time, one on hook, find someone on a gen, chase them off, as a teammate has to commit to the unhook, which means that only one survivor could be left on a gen.

This "has to camp/tunnel at all cost" mentality is often a losing factor for the killer.

And to be honest, I have lost more games as survivor where the killer is actively pressuring the survivors, instead of proxycamping/tunneling one survivor.

And you seem to be forgetting the change that was made in 9.2.0, where the generators got lit up, so that you can see progression from a mile away.
Like, unless you are on an indoor map, you can quite easily make out which generators has progress, and which ones does not. And unless you play without sound, I fail to see how you cannot hear generators with progress on them. They are quite loud, you know.

And here is the kicker. Don't mind losing a few gens, if they are in unfavorable positions. This only shortens the time investment needed to rotate between them.
And, so what if the survivor on the hook gets rescued far away. Do you turn around to tunnel them? Or would you put pressure on the gens being done, while you are in the area you are checking?
Of course, if your goal is tunneling, then why would you even go to check out gens being worked on far away in the first place?

When survivors gets less fillers and stronger loops to compensate, then we can reduce the amount of pallets.
It's either or, when you consider how weak most loops are today.

Unfortunately not it's never going to happen with the death of the major anti tunnel/camp/slugging patch with killers and content creators campaigning to get it shutdown and it worked don't expect anything to be done about it

Except this entire thread is talking about slugging and tunneling where the killer would not be getting lots of hooks . . .

You have never been in a match where the first kill was managed by tunneling and the killer still had three tokens of pain res left? Tunneling literally requires getting hooks, at least three of them in fact and will then proceed to still hook the rest of the match and benefit from all the regression they have left.

Slugging is often enough pressure in and of itself to slow down gens, when you go against a slug only hillbilly or a slug only blight you will come to understand that quickly. It doesn't work on every killer but the top tier can get away with it fairly easily if the killer player is competent.

I agree that the top tier can get away with more and for him and the other top tiers slugging can be an incredibly efficient way to play. The players I have faced that do this go for a full four man slug and only start hooking once every member of the team is down. They tend to know every in and out of their killer and for them it is incredibly effective.

No one suggested the killer was camping, only that they were tunneling. Most will go after someone else and potentially get another down and only return once the unhook happens. Once again I would agree that the top tiers do this better and usually have mobility to get back to the hook faster. The problem with players saying you have 70 second hook timers (or 140 if you intend to just let them sit there and intentionally let them second stage, not a good strategy in my opinion) is they ignore all nuance to that timer. Obviously, you shouldn't unhook right away but you also can't actually wait until close to the end of the timer. If you do, you risk the killer returning to secure a second stage or to get a trade or just down the unhooker and continue after the unhooked survivor. Its free pressure for the killer or a free second stage. If the hook is inside the worst three gen on the map you can't even leave them in the first place.

Chases do not last a full minute unless the killer is worse than the survivor, average chase time for an individual survivor across the entire match is one minute and this only goes up by six seconds in high mmr. This is only tracking the actual chase mechanic but even in comp you don't see it actually drop for very long and it tends to linger for a bit if the killer drops chase. I would like more stats on this (not that the game in its current state could provide them sadly) but we can safely say that an individual chase is unlikely to last a full minute.

Chases can absolutely go over a minute, especially once you get to bring in second chance and anti-tunnel perks except, once again, against the exceptional killers who should not be included in a conversation about general balance. Those individual killers need to be addressed, but implementing systems around what Blight and Nurse can do is the reason that you only see Blight and Nurse in 80% of your games - we've made lower tier kills unviable out of low mmr.

To tunnel requires a level of camping. You have to be close enough to the unhook to pick up the chase on the survivor you want, and, for most of the killers on the roster, that means half of the map if not more is free for the survivors to do with what they please. If they decide to take a chase to the other side of the map? Great, you can now unhook and their tunneling strat is gone.

Going in towards the end of the 70 second timer is the right call if you know they want to tunnel. They grab the trade? Welp, they can't tunnel anymore because the other survivor is getting way too much distance by the time the new one is put on the hook (outside of S+ killers who should be individually addressed) If the hook is inside the three gen then, yes, you need to bait a chase and then unhook with someone else. Not hard when you can just do a gen in their face until they commit or hit the kick limit within like two minutes lmao.

Once again, slugging only works if you've got overly altruistic survivors or are not playing the map intelligently. If they camp the downed survivor, it's even worse for them than tunneling on hook since it's going to take four entire minutes for a bleed out. If they down two, you can crawl away from each other to a point that it's impossible to cover both. It all comes down to knowing where the killer is, what they're trying to do, and knowing what the proper play against that is.

"Play perfectly" is such an insane reach. There are survivor winstreaks nearing a thousand. Guess that means survivor side needs to be gutted too, huh? Like, I'm sorry, but we clearly cannot have an honest conversation here. Bye.