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BBQ&CHili perk QoL change.
Hooked once survivors WON'T be highlighted next time you hook someone else.
So basically - 1 token = one less survivor to be spoted and so on.
What we will get: perk will keep his viability as BP booster and as finding tool, but aswell keeping it least cheesy to use.
With this change minimum range should be lessen to compensate.
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Not sure why you want to nerf a perk that do not require a nerf in the first place.
If the killer spots someone from afar, he's leaving the hook for the chase, leaving an opening for the rescue. Then it becomes a mindgame between survivors and the killer, because if everyone steps in for the rescue, the killer will be aware and camp. It just asks for understanding and comprehension, along with decent juking skills from the chased survivors if they eventually get found, if they chosed not to hide behind a RED AURA GENERATOR (a shadow nerf to BBQ that happened last patch)10 -
Runiver said:
Not sure why you want to nerf a perk that do not require a nerf in the first place.
It needs a change. No perk should be near mandatory. BBQC is undeniably one of them.Anyone who wants BP has no reason not to equip it. It is the only BP perk with no drawback. I am 99% sure BBQC is the top used killer perk among those who own it (whether thru Shrine or Dlc).The fact that the strongest progression perk and arguably one of the strongest killer perks in the game is gatekept by Dlc is also distasteful.0 -
@Visionmaker said:
Runiver said:Not sure why you want to nerf a perk that do not require a nerf in the first place.
It needs a change. No perk should be near mandatory. BBQC is undeniably one of them.
Anyone who wants BP has no reason not to equip it. It is the only BP perk with no drawback. I am 99% sure BBQC is the top used killer perk among those who own it (whether thru Shrine or Dlc).
The fact that the strongest progression perk and arguably one of the strongest killer perks in the game is gatekept by Dlc is also distasteful.
here we go again, survivor main having no clue about balance.... you can hide from bbq and chili so easily moreover if you know the killer is running it then he won´t be camping. I just dont understand why survivors keep wanting to ruin the fun for killers even though it doesn t affect them in a bad way. The last week I´ve been playing survivor exclusively and I´ve been watching out for bbc and chili because its a good perk. But the only thing you need to do to counter it is either: Hide behind a gen, be close enough to the hook, or after the survivor got hooked you walk into one direction for 4 seconds and the simply walk in the other direction. The killer will literally waste 30 seconds looking for you.
I can only imagine you are a rank 20 who just wants everything handed to him3 -
Skrill0x said:
@Visionmaker said:
Runiver said:Not sure why you want to nerf a perk that do not require a nerf in the first place.
It needs a change. No perk should be near mandatory. BBQC is undeniably one of them.
Anyone who wants BP has no reason not to equip it. It is the only BP perk with no drawback. I am 99% sure BBQC is the top used killer perk among those who own it (whether thru Shrine or Dlc).
The fact that the strongest progression perk and arguably one of the strongest killer perks in the game is gatekept by Dlc is also distasteful.
here we go again, survivor main having no clue about balance.... you can hide from bbq and chili so easily moreover if you know the killer is running it then he won´t be camping. I just dont understand why survivors keep wanting to ruin the fun for killers even though it doesn t affect them in a bad way. The last week I´ve been playing survivor exclusively and I´ve been watching out for bbc and chili because its a good perk. But the only thing you need to do to counter it is either: Hide behind a gen, be close enough to the hook, or after the survivor got hooked you walk into one direction for 4 seconds and the simply walk in the other direction. The killer will literally waste 30 seconds looking for you.
I can only imagine you are a rank 20 who just wants everything handed to himHere we go, killer main not reading at all what other people say and just talking to a brick wall.Did I say anything about camping? Did I say there was no way to avoid aura reading? Did I say it wasn't obvious that killers had BBQC?Please tell me how ANY of what you said addresses any of my points.0 -
Lol this isn't a QoL change. It's another unnecessary nerf. It was already easy to counter BBQ. Survivors ignored them and continued to whine until BHVR gave in by changing the color of gen auras, which made even easier to hide from BBQ. Now you want more nerfs? And you're calling it a "quality of life" change? You just need to get good and stop whining.
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Here we go, survivor mains complaining about an easy counter perk and insisting no perk should be used so much while almost all of them use SB, and SC
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"No perk should be mandatory" okay then go complain about gen rushes totem spots and how long chases are because ruin is pretty mandatory... also why can't survivors not try to nerf killers?? Yes killers try to nerf survivors because killers are supposed to be strong and survivors aren't. This game isn't even a horror game unless its a nurse(and survivors complain about that too)1
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I do agree on the point of no perk should be mandatory. I disagree however that nerfing the perk is the correct response. If it's game breaking or removes counter play or narrows avenue of counter-play to 1 or 0 responses, yes it likely needs a nerf. BBQ does not do this. It only reveals survivors outside the radius, and doesn't reveal them long enough for you to get to them. There is still searching, you just have an idea of where they are.
The correct response is to look at what it is providing that killers see as mandatory and see how to fix that. The answer from what i see is surveillance. This perhaps goes away once a killer has enough experience to know all the maps, where survivors like to run for safety (loops, another issue but separate topic), more adept at noticing a hiding survivor, etc.. I'm not there yet so bbq helps me out a great deal with map presence otherwise i'm blindly patrolling gens hoping i pick the right one. If i had all the above skills i'm sure there would be a better option unless i wanted the blood points.
Also, rather than nerf the most used perks a better option is to buff unused perks. These are here with no/limited places in the game so giving them a better place or stronger presence would be a much better idea.
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I got an idea DS QOL change
-only one survivor can use this if more than one uses it only the obsession can use it
-stun time decreased to 1 second
this is basically the survivor equivalent of what you just said it's not a qol change for the perk it's a qol change for the opposing sides in other words you(probably a survivor main or doesn't have BBQ) wants to nerf a perk that you feel is overused2 -
It is a QoL for who? Survivors?
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@RSB said:
It is a QoL for who? Survivors?It's a QoL change for OP because of his/her inability to get good and learn the counters.
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I understand where you're coming from with this idea, but I'm afraid I have to disagree with any changes to BBQ. If more perks were like it, killers would actually be in a far better place.
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@Runiver said:
Not sure why you want to nerf a perk that do not require a nerf in the first place.
If the killer spots someone from afar, he's leaving the hook for the chase, leaving an opening for the rescue. Then it becomes a mindgame between survivors and the killer, because if everyone steps in for the rescue, the killer will be aware and camp. It just asks for understanding and comprehension, along with decent juking skills from the chased survivors if they eventually get found, if they chosed not to hide behind a RED AURA GENERATOR (a shadow nerf to BBQ that happened last patch)A nerf that wasn't even necessary to begin with. Why they implemented this hidden nerf, ugh. I like BBQ, it's easy to assume they have it to. A Killer walks right to when they hook someone doesn't make it obvious than getting a prescription glasses might help.
From your fellow Survivor, BBQ insists on leaving the hook. Easy to juke after 4 seconds, and if we get highly powered perks, Killers deserve to too.
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BBQ "Qol change"
Haha, sorry but i had to laugh... You do realize that BBQ promote killers to leave the hook instead of camping or patrol it? You are asking to get camped more with that "qol change" god..
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Question, how will the new solo survivor work against BBQ? Absolutely love this perk because killers always dribble me when I don't even have DS and I can combo it with OoO lol.0
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That's not a QOL change, that's a straight up nerf.
You don't even know what QOL means
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@CookieBaws said:
Hooked once survivors WON'T be highlighted next time you hook someone else.
So basically - 1 token = one less survivor to be spoted and so on.
What we will get: perk will keep his viability as BP booster and as finding tool, but aswell keeping it least cheesy to use.
With this change minimum range should be lessen to compensate.So every survivor hooked once is from there on completely immune to BBQ?
That would be a HUGE nerf to a well balanced perk, that mainly addresses survivor issues.
Killer have to pick a perk to improve the survivors QoL already and you dare asking for nerf for that??0 -
BBQ Chilli is easily countered, when somebody is hooked just count to 4 that's how long you will get seen for. Use tactics and diversion, run the opposite direction after 4 seconds heck you can even hide behind a generator if you get the angle right and it's not repaired yet. Bit of commonsense, bit of knowledge is all you need not a call to nerf a perk that is a saving grace for balance playing killer.
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B&C is fine and can easily be played around to screw the Killer over, making them waste time searching an area that you've already left by the time they get there. This also creates more and safer unhooking potential.
The Perk only really becomes powerful on the Nurse & Hillbilly but that's down to them being powerful already.
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What would this accomplish besides making it a dead perk before the first half of the match?
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But why BBQ&C is fine where it is, and this is coming from a person who plays more survivor than killer. The perk doesn’t need to be changed. I think that the perk is perfectly balanced and if you want the killer to not see you then just use Sole Survivor in the next update. Before you say, “Sole Survivor is underpowered” it’s still going to be a helpful counter that can be used for more than BBQ&C. Sure it’s not as powerful as meta perks, but it’ll still be alright to run.0
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@Visionmaker said:
Runiver said:Not sure why you want to nerf a perk that do not require a nerf in the first place.
It needs a change. No perk should be near mandatory. BBQC is undeniably one of them.
its not mandatory. its the best way to gain bloodpoints. why els is: we are gonna live forever being played by people at all.. no benefits besides bloodpoints
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Why people so against it, geez.
You will keep bp bonus and you will see who to hook to get more tokens.
Wallhack is really cheesy, i can see survivors behind gens.
Just get it - it's good as BP point booster, but it's damn too stong as tracking tool with mobile/gud killer.0 -
@CookieBaws said:
Why people so against it, geez.We're against it because we learn the counters instead of whining endlessly on the forums and Reddit.
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@SnakeSound222 said:
@CookieBaws said:
Why people so against it, geez.We're against it because we learn the counters instead of whining endlessly on the forums and Reddit.
Jesus christ, you STILL have that counter, it just LESS cheesy to use by good killers.
Hiding behind gen is a joke, i pixel out and you exposed - nice.
Faking moves - good luck doing so against billy or nurse.
Listen: if you are prone to looping(in case if you found by said perk) or reliying on a FREE wallhack to find someone, that's your lack of skill.
To say the least - at 4 tokens you would have +100% bp booster and 4(!) hooks, da f*ck you need more?!0 -
I'd like these changes and also this:
Make downed (in dying state) survivors not visible to BBQ and Chili.
Reason: Too often am I finding that a match with 2 survivors left. A killer will down 1 of them and then go looking for the other. Once they find the other, they simply hook that one and then can easily see where the other guy is crawling. Be it for a few seconds, it is relatively easy to locate them.Another suggestion from another thread.** Make lockers so that a survivor can enter a locker to combat BBQ and Chili and hide their aura whilst inside**. Makes great locker plays. And also doesn't give the killer an easy locate.
Thoughts?
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Feel free to nerf the crap out of it, but leaves Whispers alone
I never use BBQ and I find it to be a trash perk, unless you are playing Billy/ Nurse
Playing as other killers even if you find survivors u'll get looped to death
if survivors mains wants more killers to camp I am all for it
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@Someissues said:
Feel free to nerf the crap out of it, but leaves Whispers aloneI never use BBQ and I find it to be a trash perk, unless you are playing Billy/ Nurse
Playing as other killers even if you find survivors u'll get looped to death
if survivors mains wants more killers to camp I am all for it
Don't worry, Whispers QOL is next 8-)
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@Skarkio said:
To counter bbq a survivor can** hide behind a a gen**, fake moves or get into the killer terror radious, but it seem that its not enough for you!
"listen: if you are prone to be found even across the entire map by the killer or reliying on a NOT BE FOUND EVER by the killer to be able to escape the match, that´s your lack of skill.
But I will accept your change to bbq if spring burst & self care can be used once per match and and decisive strike can be used only by one survivor out of 4
Hide behind a generator?, Are you serious or is that a joke?:. Even if you where lucky enough to place yourself in the correct position behind a generator whilst the person is being hooked the killer can still see the aura as it is a different colour to the generator outlines*****. The odds of you standing exactly behind it with no parts of you sticking out is really low.
(The same goes for Nurses calling here. If you stand behind a gen or fire barrel your aura should be hidden from this too but thats another story!).Fake moves:, ok can confirm this does kind of work. You start to run 1 way and count 4 seconds then swiftly change direction. I have done this a few times and it has worked maybe 75% of the time. Other times has been against a nurse or hillbilly.
Get into the killer radius: This just means that the killer will stay close to the hook if they cannot see an aura from their BBQ perk. Promoted camping by going near the hooked person.
*****please confirm is this is not correct
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@CookieBaws said:
Hooked once survivors WON'T be highlighted next time you hook someone else.
So basically - 1 token = one less survivor to be spoted and so on.
What we will get: perk will keep his viability as BP booster and as finding tool, but aswell keeping it least cheesy to use.
With this change minimum range should be lessen to compensate.Nerf a perk most of us run so we don't want to camp you and get bloodpoints from trying NOT to tunnel.
News flash, if im not running BBQAC I'm going to go to the other generators either way. Most of the time this just lets me know (Rarely with shadow nerf of gen colors + most survivors knowing how to counter this perk) that I can safely leave the hook
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I may agree with you one the locker thing but disabling the auras of downed survivors is a really bad idea right now that little barbecue and chili strategy is one of the few ways that Killers actually have to counter hatch games not only that if the killer doesn't have deerstalker on them and the other survivor you were chasing managed to lead your crossmap good luck finding the first one.flamestandish said:I'd like these changes and also this:
Make downed (in dying state) survivors not visible to BBQ and Chili.
Reason: Too often am I finding that a match with 2 survivors left. A killer will down 1 of them and then go looking for the other. Once they find the other, they simply hook that one and then can easily see where the other guy is crawling. Be it for a few seconds, it is relatively easy to locate them.Another suggestion from another thread.** Make lockers so that a survivor can enter a locker to combat BBQ and Chili and hide their aura whilst inside**. Makes great locker plays. And also doesn't give the killer an easy locate.
Thoughts?
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That’s either your fault, or a glitch.CookieBaws said:@SnakeSound222 said:
@CookieBaws said:
Why people so against it, geez.We're against it because we learn the counters instead of whining endlessly on the forums and Reddit.
Jesus christ, you STILL have that counter, it just LESS cheesy to use by good killers.
Hiding behind gen is a joke, i pixel out and you exposed - nice.
Faking moves - good luck doing so against billy or nurse.
Listen: if you are prone to looping(in case if you found by said perk) or reliying on a FREE wallhack to find someone, that's your lack of skill.
To say the least - at 4 tokens you would have +100% bp booster and 4(!) hooks, da f*ck you need more?!
Yes, it’s hard to fake out a Billy or Nurse. But the other Killers shouldn’t be punished because of those two being able to get more use out of the perk.
Every Killer is prone to pallet looping except Nurse, no matter how good you are.
What? Lol you’re a funny one. The perk’s already in a good spot. You just need to stop whining like a baby because you actually have to try to survive instead of it being handed to you. Get good.0 -
Okay, I’d rather it was 3 seconds so it was basically same on slower killers, but not as strong on billy and nurse. But let’s forget that for a moment and be hypothetical. If they never introduced a killer BP perk or it was simply standalone, basically, off BBQ was released with just its aura reading, how do you think it would’ve been received? Honestly? I’m not saying it NEEDS a nerf, but that perk IS strong as hell.
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@SnakeSound222 said:
CookieBaws said:@SnakeSound222 said:
@CookieBaws said:
Why people so against it, geez.
We're against it because we learn the counters instead of whining endlessly on the forums and Reddit.
Jesus christ, you STILL have that counter, it just LESS cheesy to use by good killers.
Hiding behind gen is a joke, i pixel out and you exposed - nice.
Faking moves - good luck doing so against billy or nurse.
Listen: if you are prone to looping(in case if you found by said perk) or reliying on a FREE wallhack to find someone, that's your lack of skill.
To say the least - at 4 tokens you would have +100% bp booster and 4(!) hooks, da f*ck you need more?!
That’s either your fault, or a glitch.
Yes, it’s hard to fake out a Billy or Nurse. But the other Killers shouldn’t be punished because of those two being able to get more use out of the perk.
Every Killer is prone to pallet looping except Nurse, no matter how good you are.
What? Lol you’re a funny one. The perk’s already in a good spot. You just need to stop whining like a baby because you actually have to try to survive instead of it being handed to you. Get good.
Omg, you still have ways to hide from it, i just DON'T want wallhack to be unlimited.
All these reaction like i'm sh*ting on ur perk and asking for removal of wallhack, damn.
It's great perk to heat up trial and get extra bp, but it SHOULD NOT be more than it.
BHVR went too hard on making "anti-camp" perk, it IS too damn strong if being abused.
If we had some kind of small hint or tooltip on hud of being under bbq effect, i would shut up right here.0
