Giving up seems to be so common now, why?

The reward was removing the ability to go next. It was just a reward for the ones who didn't abuse it in that they have a better chance at salvaging the games people try to get eliminated out of as fast as possible instead. That is a genuine buff to gen progress, and the only nerf was to the people who wanted to disrupt matches by noping out faster. Anybody who actually intends to use the 4% as a positive for themselves or their team (instead of just an outdated last ditch effort) can still do so with as little as an offering.

Wrong quote applied, see other post

Why is this logic exclusive to this game compared to, say, LoL or Dota? Street Fighter or Garou? Some games like MvC3 would let you do it, but specifically put you in a queue with other quitters as well, so you could be with likeminded individuals. If you were pushing for a vote abandon that would be one thing, but nobody should be defending being able to break the format of the game without consequence, and I'm not even getting into the hypocrisy on this statement concerning an elimination based role vs a load bearing one.

Is Merchant in a good place today? When they did gut Merchant was it in the view of the killer or the survivor?

i can also name things that survivors have been gutted.

iron will used to be trash until its buff to 100%. for years and much longer than sm has been gutted for.

fog-vials got gutted and havent recovered for 6 months. (and arent garantied to be buffed unlike sm)

distortion has been gutted for over a year and it hasnt recovered. (no garantie to be ever changed)

these problems didnt take 2 years to adress. everytime killer has a slight whiff of a problem, it got immediately nerfed, gutted or reworked within months.

meanwhile we are still waiting for ghoul to be even rebalanced. even after his numberous bugs that he didnt get killswitched for. in 9 months.

Ah no, If we are going to go down the individual perks I will bring up a lot of perks that were outright unfair towards killers that lasted for years and were outright abused until they were finally changed.

Iron Will was not trash for the majority of it's life. Basically two chapters and it was reverted. It is effectively the same now as it was on release and, for a brief time, much stronger when it was a multiplier instead of additive.

Fog viles were nerfed after a PTB. How many killers were nerfed before release? How many killers are nerfed soon after release? It's a meme that BHVR waits until everyone bought the chapter then nerfs the killer and/or their perks.

Distortion was not gutted. Maybe your threshold of gutted is different than mine. Even though I do believe the nerf was unnecessary.

Ghoul is probably the first killer that BHVR didn't take an axe to with so much outcry from survivors. I think the license holder has something to do with it. But someday that may change but Ghoul is an exception to the rule.

I misunderstood the context then, apologies.

Nah. Thats one thing killers can never really say and make it stick. The killer literally is the only player who CAN move the match. You can force it to continue, you can force them out the gate, and you can force a snowball come back.

No match is 'clearly lost' killer side until it IS lost. The game is made for those come backs imo, specifically for killer.

Yeah, I wouldn't oppose just ditching the DC penalty so that we can all leave whenever we want. But we know that's not going to happen, so I guess we're all screwed.

They arent FORCED to stay hostage or wait out 4 minutes.

You can move, you arent slugged on the floor unable to do anything.

Why is it, so hard to differanciate the two things?.

All Survivor slugged : cant do ######### with perks (which is why you surrender

Killers, are close to never hold in a losing game with no way to fight back or end the game.

If you cant understand that, then you havent played both sides enough.

By the same logic: a slugged survivor can make a comeback, by crawling to the hatch, wiggling out or by self unhook. Or if nothing else, they can force a pick up by crawling closer to the hatch, that's analogous to the "just push them out" mental gymnastics of survivor-only players.

Just going by what you typed. Be better at delivering your actual thoughts, or just don't. But, put up something that's just crapping on others AND is blatantly untrue, yeah, it'll be coming back around.

Also, again, dying state? We were discussing options while slugged. You moved the goalposts. I'll post a summary if you need it.

It's a wonder how complicated and beginner-unfriendly this game can be, that such basic mechanics as "wiggle" and "self-unhook" remain a mystery for some players, familiar with the game for at least a few months. At least that's what can be deduced from your shocked and surprised reaction here.

No shock here, you're pretty mild. But, I'll do what seems to be runningguy's thing.

It's a wonder how complicated and beginner-unfriendly this game can be, with how rampant tunneling and slugging is, even for new killers to the game. Why? Because its mindless easy wins. Teaches the new killer nothing, and they will plateau and not understand whats happening. Not healthy.

Wanna chime in @runningguy with 'If the game allows it, fair game''?

Figured Junylar might need your help.

I voted you up. And no, I will not do that since you cannot parse your thoughts into words correctly. It is quite difficult for this to happen with anyone, I would imagine. If you say something, reference something, then relate it to a bunch of things that aren't related, and find it completely logical… no, I don't want a discussion with that.

As it were, anything I said you would just downplay, maybe with more random word relations, and I would just be exhausted by then. I'll pass.

What did you disagree about with my post? I mean, it was snarky, but it had points. Lets try this again and discuss! Im willing.

I feel this is valid.

If all remaining survivors are/have been in the exit gate area, the killer may abandon.

Does this work? If not, when should the killer be able to abandon? Like what precise thing(s) should have to happen before it lights up? Survivors is pretty much set atm. Whats the killer side look like?

It's not a popular opinon (for some reason) but I agree. I loathe the abandon feature. I basically never use it and don't understand how people are so apt to leap at the chance to leave mid-match. To me, it's the laziest possible way to not deal with issues or have in-game solutions, and just have people delete the match from their record instead. It's truly embarassing that this is where we're at.

I had this one match with a pair of flashlight users that refused to stop going for saves even when injured. I slugged them a couple times because I was actively trying not to tunnel them. The abandon came up and they both left with 5 gens up and only a couple hook stats across the team. The game essentially let them leave at the beginning.

And people are actually asking for more abandon options.

No, you don't HAVE to stand there and watch Survivors teabag at the exit gates.

Survivors have the option to abandon.

Killers have the option to hit Survivors out at the exit gates.

Nothing is FORCING you to stand there and watch. If you refuse to use the option available to you, that's on you.

So, if they kill you - the "time wasting" is over? The same with standing at the gates: the killer can't kill the survivors, as they can just leave instantly when the killer approaches. And yet it doesn't stop you from justifying the absence of the killer abandon. The killer can't kill survivors at the gates the same way the crawling survivor can't escape at the killer's face. But the killer "has agency" to pathetically "push the survivors out", while accepting the humiliation, and so the survivor "has agency" to pathetically crawl towards the hatch. Both are practically pointless and humiliating in a similar way, yet for some reason only survivors have the freedom to avoid it.

And you can avoid being humped by crawling towards the hatch, the same way the killer has to swallow it up and "push them out" at the gates.