comms and ranked system for balancing

you reuse what others have said on these forums many times claiming that when enough people say the same thing it adds validity to the argument

One person saying "this specific, niche thing happened to me once" and you using and resuing it over and over because it happens to suit your preferred narrative is not the same as thousands of people saying the same general thing happened to them. Try to understand nuance.

But by your standards if you dont experience it then it never happens?

It's not about them happening or not, you just don't need to talk about things that aren't your experience like they are because you like how they sound. I, for example, have had very little to say about end game chat because I didn't have it until recently, so I took what people said with a grain of salt and didn't worry about it because it wasn't my experience. Now it is and I still haven't had much to say because I need a bigger sample size, but so far my experience is, unsurprisingly, not aligning with many complaints.

i have been in a duo, i have seen how others people play and they dont play like you

You've seen how other people play? With a low MMR new player? Yeah, I'm sure that gave you amazing perspective. You also have no idea when people you stomp are in parties. I play with people across all platforms. There's no way to know we're playing together. And again, I've had thousands of matches with dozens of people and many different dynamics and styles of players. You played in a duo once. This is like you saying "I visited France for a week so I know how it is there" while I say "I lived in France for 10 years" and you thinking you know more than me about life in France. It is wild to have this forceful of an opinon based mostly on assumption and other people's stories.

Then after your stats were logically debunked as they offer no evidence regarding comms you change to screenshots to try to prove your right and other people are wrong which also shows no relation to the use of comms.

There is no way to prove that, but I at least have more than you ever do, which is inflated stats and a video going against a baby Bubba.

you try to disprove what people say or ask them to prove what they say when quite often proof cannot be provided which is exactly what im pointing out now

I don't get into lengthy arguments wirh many people anymore. Most have been banned. I do it to you because you use ridiculous examples that happened once or didn't happen to you. You do this regularly. Any time you dont like the story, you try to "but how do I know you were on comms?" "What if someone was doing some nonsense challenge" "but did you throw on purpose?????"

Well, runningguy has made it clear on multiple occasions, that he thinks the game in soloq is basically to be played without any form of altruism. This is pretty far from the majority of the players and on this forum. So I think yopu simply won't find any common ground here.

That being said, of course coordination makes the game easier. I don't want to count the times I lost a hook stage, even in 2v8, just because noone was saving me, despite not doing gens or anything. And there is certain info your char gets others don't see.

However all things are dependend on skill. The game does not suddenly become easy when you have comms. There my two friends and me, where I am certainly the weak link, and there is team eternal.

Two killers coordinating in 2v8 are a nightmare though and Freddy isn't even playable. ^^

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Back to topic:

Ranked is fine by me, however, that would

a. this only makes sense, when the player base is big enough. Currently 2v8 drowns 1v4 a little bit. So a new ranked mode should not lead to either the ranked or the casual mode having a day of queue time

b. ranked mode would have to have not just a different and an laways on game chat. Which isn't technically possible btw. It would have to have specific rules in gameplay, like for instance a less strong anti tunnel mechanic etc. Otherwise, people who play competetive and loose too much, would just play casual to stomp others, but with the mindset they have in a very competitive play, making the modes obsolete.

For the love of the spaghetti monster, the invisible teapot and the invisible pink unicorn, spare us from voice chat in game. The community is incredible toxic. I really don't want to play while hearing the some people complain, quite often in russian, what kind ##### their teamates are what #### I am. Besides, the game is quite a lot based on hearing. It's one thing to tell you mates "be quite, I can't hear Vecna-wannabe shooting vines at me" and another to explain that to stranger a few hundred to thousand kilometres away.

But communication should be. It's stupid to think that people who play together wouldn't communicate. When was the last time you sat at a couch playing Mario Kart with friends and said nothing the whole race, especially in a team race? So I concur, that some communication for soloq would be helpful, but not voice chat. Get some form of quick comms wheel or something and test it.

And you create such a thing for consoles instead of the in game chat. Since the devs decide what goes in there, it could all be some form of positives like "ggwp", "liked that chase", "nice of you", something like that. So people can give props proper and direct, but can't insult the others.

I can see your point. Sorry if I misrepresented you.

But what I meant is, many people hear approach the game differently. And @cogsturning most definitely is one of them. So you two will likely not find any common ground.

I, at least, have played with people on comms and have perosnal experience. Until you can show me your data on the use of comms, you have zero argument.

Also, look up the word altruism, because you don't know what it means.

There is no way to prove this, yet the consistent narrative is "4mans on comms easily wreck killers" despite there being zero proof of this because you don't know who is in a party or on comms. People loose and just assume, because it allows them to deflect responsibility for their losses to something they can state is unfair. So why aren't you asking all these people who say this unproveble thing about comms where their proof is? Because it's the version of the story that you like, that's why.

So you're saying people posting actual BHVR data and personal match histories holds less water than saying "maybe they're doing a totem challenge"? You say a whole lot of nonsense to support playing in a gross manner and never back it up with anything and everyone is just supposed to swallow it?

And what about the parties I play in, on three different platforms, no matching names, no matching characters? When we get stomped, the killer assumes we're soloqers, or they just don't care, because it's only a problem when you loose. The wins that don't fit the narrative are quickly forgotten.

Yes, I agree. I think a communication wheel is pretty much just a great idea. Not really any downsides.

I find it amusing, tbh.

We don't like the empirical data because it goes against the narrative. You can hem and haw all you like, but the fact of the matter is that Killers are killing more than Survivors are escaping, and they have been for a long time.

There's something to be said for context, but that's not really your argument. You want to ignore the stats completely, because they prove that there's really not a big difference between Solo and SWF in terms of escape rates AND that Killer, as a whole, is doing very well.

I'm glad you think the game is nuanced now, but somehow I suspect you'd be signing a different tune if the Kill Rates showed 40% across the board.

the problem with word-based wheels is that language barriers exist

One really nice thing about a ping system or comms wheel is that localization is client side.

So if I use the wheel to say something like "going for unhook", then each player would hear that call out in their own language automatically.

And since the comms wheel callouts are determined by BHVR, there's no moderation issue with bad actors. Well, aside from spamming, which can be mitigated with ping cooldowns.

Now, this? This I can agree with.

There is nuance, there is context. But still, we do know Killers are doing very well as a whole right now. So when I hear people like runningguy claim that comms are ruining the game, or that they are somehow OP, I look at the data we DO have.

And that data does not support their argument. It isn't perfect, but they are asking for something that cannot be proven. They want to prove intent, basically. What did the SWF INTEND to do. Were they goofy? Competitive? Silent? That's what they want to know, and that's ridiculous, quite frankly.

so what? many games have had voice comms since there inception.