Upcoming Krasue Nerf

yeah I would have to agree everytime I face her 3/4 times she gets a 4k a complete menace in the top mmr bracket and has zero solo counterplay. I feel like her lunge should work like demo shred right now. Or make it a wind up ability to react to it. Right now you literally cannot react to the attack.

I don't see her much but when I do I get absolutely hammered in that game. She needs some kind of counterplay in chase, eating the mushroom is way to slow and gets reset almost instantly. Maybe buff the mushroom or slow down her infection a bit, make it harder to hit the ranged attack or make it so that it has to hit more than once to fully infect the surv.

I never see her. They should probably focus on the killers who have a 5000 win streak.

While true, that doesnt mean you can ignore problematic things.

Krasue can easily receive tweaks before she gets close to that stage

This killer is absolutely depend of Dissolution, u can bodyblock against her, she needs back to her body to break pallets she has a lot of possibilities to counter. The mushroom clean the infection to quickly. She was OP when she released, now shes fine and struggle a lot in so many cenarios. Definetely she doesnt need nerfs, she needs more fluid to play and some ajusts abbout how her power works, but, definitely not nerfs. Where the ghoul, nurse nerfs? Krasue is a such flop and people asking for nerfs.

Krasue is a heavily unpopular killer and this is backed up by basically every statistic we have concerning her.

You having anecdotal evidence of seeing her 1/5 games somehow to the level of Blight and Ghoul will not convince anyone of anything, and if anything people will be less likely to take you seriously since what you describe doesn't line up to what they experience.

Yes. A killer is most popular in their launch window, especially when released in such an overturned state as launch Krasue was.

In a game now with over 40 killers, there's much less incentive to go "I like this one" and stick with the character, especially if they don't hail from a licence someone is attached to and get nerfs not long after release, on top of already having a power most people found generic on release.

Krasue falling off after launch skews the killrates and makes them an already more unreliable metric than they would be regardless.

With prior context in mind, do you have actual evidence of Krasue's popularity, because not only does Nightlight back her unpopularity, but so does the entire community sentiment you currently dismiss out of hand and label as moot.

If we're expected to accept your anecdotal account of Krasue being popular because you see her frequently as the truth, what right do you have to deny other people's firsthand experience?

Bonus Question, Why is it that Twins is the most unpopular killer in the game but still top 03 on killrates? Do I just need to see like three Twins within 4 hours before I get to claim to they're secretly super popular? Cause that's basically the same evidence you have, except Twins killrates are ironically less fudged than Krasue's are because of not having to deal with buffs/nerfs and launch window player count.

Yes. During that timeframe of 3 weeks, everyone and their mother was playing Krause because she was way overtuned. She was destroying everyone for the most part.

After that - I see her as much as I see the Twins which is once a month if that. Nobody plays or wants to play Krasue.

Popularity of Krasue matters because it skewed the killrate during her launch that you use as reasoning for her being currently overturned. It's important because it affects your data dude.

It's a bit irresponsible to simply ignore the data in front of you because it doesn’t fit your narrative...

Using metrics you know to be inaccurate is what I consider to be irresponsible. And I have yet to see a counterargument for how Krasue being overpowered during the duration when most people played her isn't a factor in her having a 67% killrate during the time those metrics were tracked.

The only attempt I saw at one was "3 months is bigger than 2 weeks" and yeah man, that's how time works. That doesn't mean those two weeks didn't seep into your data.

I ignored your Nurse comment and the whole balance =/= popularity thing because tbh that's fully you arguing with yourself about wider issues and acting like I said things I haven't.

I am telling you that Krasue doesn't currently have a 67% killrate because the first two weeks of her launch window had her see much more usage, where she was also extremely overturned. This skewed her killrate and makes you using it as evidence for why she needs a nerf illogical, because she already got that nerf.

The devs do have better data than what they show us. They simply show us these snippets of data for fun, because the community likes it. With over 40 killers in the game and only getting data on the top 5 most picked and most deadly killers for a 3 month period is basically meaningless to analyze.

Years ago we used to get actual graphs that showed kill rate and pick rate data for all the killers. Which is far more useful than these top 5 breakdowns.

"So actually the data represents her killrate after the nerf." No it doesn't, you're making that up. (Objectively true)

"I see Krasue 1/5 games and she's op." I see her rarely and she's not. (Subjective opinion) See how far anecdotal evidence gets you?

This is such an intensely bad faith argument. You can't explain why the Killrates aren't affected by Krasue being busted for the time large portions of people were actually playing her, so you've just resorted to insisting the data is 100% accurate in spite of that.

Go back to the post on the forums where Krasue's last statistics were posted, you'll find discussions even then saying her pickrate fell off.

Honestly, not even gonna bother, it's clear you just wanted to be told you were right. Have fun waiting for the nerf ig

And ignoring the entire month that skews it. Anything for your bias though, right?

Must be nice. I wish I got the chance to play against her. I only get Weskers, Blights, Nurses, and Michaels.

Respectfully, I could careless who buys what. This is my experience and clearly yours is different which is all good and fine.

A literal sixth of the statistic and the time when her pickrate would be largest. According to you? No difference, not one. That's how data works?

So more than 5/6 of the data if you stop ignoring her pickrate dropping? You started at 100% accuracy, you just admitted at least 17% is off, more when you actually consider the other factors involved. That's how data works.

You don't know how math works and think if you say the data is still accurate it changes how math works.

Krasue had a different (bigger) killrate before she got four big nerfs, that is objectively how data works even under your "they average out" logic which means guess what? Krasue currently has a killrate under 67.1% with your own evidence.

"But 1/6th doesn't skew" it skews by 16.66%, that's how objectively math works, you can't dispute this. We are measuring the difference between a number supposed to be 60% that is 67.1%, which you better believe makes 16% mathematically significant.

But let me guess, her pickrate being probably triple what it currently is and her killrate being inflated by the buffs were wholy inconsequential right? According to you, they genuinely had 0 visible effect on her performance?

So what nerf would you even want?? Apparently you can change literally her entire kit and nothing happens? How does that even work?

Answer: That's not how DbD works. You are misreading data.

Your Math is incorrect, sorry.

1/6th is 16.66% which is objective truth. You cannot dance your way around this because you don't want to accept variance in your data.

Also, I never said they had 0 effect

the 67.1% kill rate is her current rate after nerf.

You did.

you claiming that nobody has played Krasue since the nerf to make 67.1% so horrendously out of date is just simply wrong,

Krasue went from presumably being one of the highest pickrate killers during her launch window (every killer is) to 11th according to unofficial sources, plus all the anecdotal accounts you call lies in favor your own anecdotal account. You not wanting to accept she isn't as popular as she was is pure cope.

Apparently tweaking dash numbers and removing infection on hook is "changing literally her entire kit."

No, changing her entire kit is changing her entire kit, but good job pretending 6 changes were 2. The bad faith continues.

Any more insults? Cause that's all you got aside from "your math is wrong" with no logic or rebuttal.

Lmao adjusting numbers is a nerf and 6 of them isn't small, idk why you think "changing her kit" means I was claiming she was reworked.

You got any response to the 16% being objective reality or you outwardly claiming you didn't say something you explicitly did?

Changing the collision number from 0.35 to 0.32 is literally an imperceptible nerf.

It isn't, it affected Krasue's ability to slide lunge around loops a sizable amount, especially around small objects. Collision numbers are already small given the default is less than 4 tenths. You again seem to misunderstand math and its relationship to DBD.

Changing her projectile cooldown from 1 second to 1.3 seconds means nothing when it has auto-lock and is only .3 seconds longer.

Except when that recovery distance matters, usually around windows when a Krasue can't bounce off the environment.

Increasing her regurgitate cancel from 0.1 second to 1.3 seconds means absolutely nothing when nobody was doing that anyway.

Except instances where the survivor disappears from sight and there's nothing to bounce off of, made more common an occurrence by the prior change.

Changing her form swap time from 1 second to 1.2 seconds means absolutely nothing when she literally flies around the map in head form, losing practically 0 distance in the transition.

What does her having a dash ability have anything to do with this?? The nerf was useful to body block Krasue and make her lose more distance when being forced to swap, which the cool down on regurgitate nerf adds up with. Have you ever done an endgame save against Krasue???

The only two changes that genuinely mattered was the extra .1 seconds on windup because that actually makes or breaks a vault over a pallet or window, and most importantly removing the corruption on hook.

And yet despite receiving these two sizable nerfs, you say her killrate hasn't changed meaningfully.

It's strange. Despite seeing Krasue 1/5 matches, you don't really seem to understand how these changes actually affected facing and playing as Krasue.

I would; however, recommend trying to understand what standard deviation and variance are before claiming that 16% is "objective reality," as you are erroneously claiming.

Go up to anybody conducting a field test in study and tell them 16% of their dataset was skewed, see how comfortable they are publishing it. Invoking Standard Derivation without mentioning at all how it disputes this point is again not giving any logic at for your reasoning, yet hoping you can just say "you're wrong!" and accept it as reality.

Still absolutely nothing about how you claimed one moment you never said Krasue's killrate then was the same as current, despite having clearly done so earlier and having it pointed out to you.