A Match Details Sneak Peek Ahead of Tomorrow's Update

No Mither argument does not even make sense as you spawn in hurt. You at no point lose a health state as you already don't have that health state. Feels like argument people make who never even has used the perk or knows how it really works.

Insert survivor DC when they see me bring double Invocation 🤣

Yeah I think this is probably going to happen a lot

What's the "more info" that's being shown?

Noo they didn't add the quests and perks to same screen. someone recommended that in a post during PTB because there is so much screen space not being used I don't think they need to be sperate tabs and will cause people to be on the screen longer.

The divide between solo queue and SWF makes the game very difficult to balance, and that affects killer balance too- tune something for SWF and that something destroys solo queue, but tune it for solo queue and you've got an uphill battle against SWF.

There are three major benefits to SWF that solo queue currently do not have. SWF have a better baseline of information gain, better ability to coordinate important actions, and you also know who your teammates are so you can reliably assume parts of their gameplay.

Now, if we want to bridge the gap between solo queue and SWF - which benefits everyone, remember - then certain things are just off the table. You obviously can't restrict a SWF when it comes to the information they can share or who they're allowed to queue with, that's a physical impossibility, so instead solo queue needs to be improved proportionally.

Since you can't make solo queue players be familiar with their random teammates (outside of adding a party finder, which I do support but at that point isn't solo queue anymore) and ways of adding coordination to solo queue need to be done very carefully to avoid harming the game's tone, that means solo queue needs a whole bunch of information-gain buffs.

can we remove killer being able to see survivors items? I think this is only fair. Survivors don’t get to see the killers.

Because SWF with voice chat is the intended power level for Survivor.

There will always be some discrepancy between solo and SWF but the goal is to close the gap by pushing solos upwards as opposed to nerfing SWF.

I just don't agree with that. I think most of my wins playing as Killer probably come (at least in part) from a certain degree of Solo/DuoQ inefficiency. I know a lot of the player base complains about that, but I genuinely believe the game is balanced around Survivors not all being on the same page. It's necessary for Survivors to have gaps in their knowledge for a lot of Killer powers and perks to function.

I don't think the community really realises how much in the game would need to be changed, reworked or buffed on the Killer side if a SWF on comms became the standard for balance. Bottom tier Killers like Legion, Trapper and Ghostie would become totally unplayable. And DBD would become an almost completely different game by the time BHVR were finished re-balancing everything.

Will there be an option to turn these settings back to the old ones?

As much as I'm aware of the benefit, I'd like to keep the killer hidden and the way it is until the update, so to provide me with a bit of a challenge and figure things out for myself rather than having the game do it for me.

If there's something that I genuinely enjoy about this game, it's the element of surprise; Updates such as this one are removing it, so to compensate for the competitive environment that I absolutely despise of, because I've seen it ruin the games' potentials far too many times over the years..

The thing is swf exists so it is relevant to the balance, that's a fact that can't be denied. You can either balance for one or the other but not both and if we focus on solo q then you end up in a situation where the killer just gets stomped because he got matched with people on comms.

So there are only two ways to handle this. A. Get rid of swf or B. Try to close the gap between solo q and swf as much as possible.

I think we don't need to even talk about option A. That is not going to happen and while the gap can never truly be closed if they get as close as they can that's good enough for balancing or rather it is better then whatever happens now

What about a Trapper with Trapper sack being revealed to the other players before they can set up by getting into an early chase? Now you know to stay away from basement and watch your feet.

Or say you get a Billy with stealth perks and the Filthy Slippers add-on. Before the update, you wouldn't know a Billy was out there. But now their first chase will tell you to go find shack or a set up with some windows to loop around.

Survivors that know to split up will be able to deny early pressure to pretty much every Legion, even before they've heard their terror radius music playing. Just a few examples but I'm sure there are more. Anything that relies on an element of surprise is dead in the water after this update. Even between stealth Killers like Wraith, Ghostie or Myers, there will be differences between how players will behave with the new information.

You are right, it is difficult to balance the game for both groups of players. But my preference is to nerf SWF, not to boost SoloQ up. Mostly because it's a half measure and there's nothing BHVR can really do to fully bring Solo up to par with a SWF. But also because I worry about the unintended consequences that might arise.

Like how the extra 5 seconds of BT and haste off hook did nothing to help the players that really needed it (the easily tunnelled weak links), but instead gifted SWFs an easier end game out, so long as they're never hooked too far away from an open gate. The will undoubtedly make the game a little bit tougher for Killers, but it's the duos and a trios that will really benefit and become stronger from this. It's not going to help true SoloQ players all that much if the game is to be balanced around SWF, because the gap will always be too great to bridge between SWF and Solo.

While I agree with that, I prefer knowing the killer's ping, so whether to approach the looping structures with the delay in mind or not.

This does matter in situations when the killer could swing me based on the distance, but won't swing at me and allow me to reach the window vault due to their higher ping.
There, I can assume the same to happen again, and in theory extend chase time solely by seeing the killer's ping.

Those are some nice points ya'r making, and I agree with many of them.

I have lost count how many perks were changed over the years, how many times, and which ones at that.. It's been a while afterall, and the SWF had generally been granted the extra „benefit of doubt“ in a sense that they won't use them, so they're OK as they are.
That's how it was at the beginning, at least, when the playerbase was still mostly casual-friendly and barely anyone treated the game competitively.

Then, the game got expanded over to other platforms (Epic, Microsoft, …) and the arrival of the competitive players was inevitable.
This was also the time when we've lost the darkness, and the game's lost half of its character for what made it a horror videogame to begin with; Nowadays, all you've got are extraordinary jumpscares (viz Michael Myers with mirror add-on(s), or some other stealth killer) or updated chase music that really intensifies the chases, at least to me.

Welp, and then it was when the perks started to see nerfs due to the presence of SWF, which was yeears, yeears later.
Even then and nowadays, some of the perks aren't truly adjusted for the SWF premades, but we're getting there and that has unfortunately only led to the solo queue getting a short end of the stick so far.
Yes, we got some of the handy perks still being decent, like Kindred, Self-Preservation (got a really nice huge buff recently), and such, but it's still the minority of the perks.
- The rest of the perks is either not worth running due to the predictable perk builds to face (almost each match has Pain Resonance, Barbecue & Chilli), otherwise they could be pretty handy.. Not to mention, you are more or less guaranteed to face the top tier killers these days around, and will almost never run into Trappers, Ghostfaces, Demogorgon (understandable), or the other labelled „M1 killers“.
That is greatly supported by the limited perk variety.

To explain what I'm meaning to get at with this is..

Those changes happened because the competitive playerbase arrived.
My point is, we can keep going along the same way, but the predictable future is nothing, but doom.

I've seen it happen over the years with the niché and not really strong perks on their own getting nerfed or even reworked due to the influence of SWF and competitive players, and the same is to be followed with every single Chapter that gets added, shall we go down that road.

I'd say, it's time to start nerfing, like really heavily nerfing perks and even the characters as whole, rather than buffing them and ending up with this limited character variety, because the competitive playerbase doesn't allow for the casual playerbase have more dynamic experiences with their perk and character picks.
Sure, it is understandable that a character X is more fun than the others (example being, Huntress, Wesker, …), but what made them so fun was their strength being sorta balanced, you know?
So, if we go ahead and start buffing them or even the perks, they will start getting out of hand, becoming more fun for one side, while becoming completely miserable to face for the other side (the arguably majority of the playerbase, the survivors).

I do fully support any balance adjustment made exclusively to the SWF premade(s), because I'm honestly exhausted by the changes over the years.
I do hate getting the nice quality life perks nerfed because they're overtuned whenever SWF comes to mind, but fine and not even that strong on their own during solo queue.. That also limits my own options, as there are barely any unique perks lying around; Most of them are simplified / updated versions of one or of the other, while next to none are unique anymore.