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Diminishing returns Questions:
This is not well explained in the Tutorial at all. All I have is the screenshot from the live where keeping the most value at 100% the next value at 50% then 25% , 12,5 and 5%
Playing in game there is nothing that show us what gets reduced. We need a indicator that show us what get's reduced and say which value is being kept or not.
When I have a active Overzealous and Prove Thyself while working on a generator with 1 "or more survivors". Do they get the 10% or 5% Speed value? Also, will my Prove Thyself effect any of their Generator speed perks if they have any?
Let's say they have Deja vu. Will their speed still be 6% or be reduced to 3% but still keep the 10% from my Prove Thyself? "If they even get the 10% value"
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Answers
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- If you have active Overzealous and Prove Thyself, the other survivor would still get 10%, you would only get 5% (15% total for you from both perks, other survivor gets 10%)
- If another survivor with Deja Vu is affected by your Prove Thyself, then yes they get the 10% from Prove Thyself and their Deja Vu would be reduced to 3%
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Why would my overzealous be 5%?
So whatever another survivor bring, that is their highest value, compared with anothers value, they will diminish??
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You would get 10% from one perk and 5% from the other (10% reduced by 50%), in this case since the normal value is 10% on both it doesn't matter what order we put them in, you'll end up with 15% total for you either way.
Regardless, the other survivor will still get the full 10% from your Prove Thyself if they don't have any other repair speed increases, even if the value is diminished for you. But if they have other repair speed increasing effects stacking with the bonus they get from your Prove Thyself, that is included in diminishing returns and your perk can affect theirs (or vice versa). In general, it doesn't matter which player the effect comes from (with limited exceptions for self-inflicted debuffs and skill check trigger odds).
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So survivors with their highest value does effect others, and the diminishing returns will reduce what value they bring when doing something together?
I would be 100% satisfied whenever a Dev comment. Because how do we know 100% about this. Don't remember from the live stream that other survivors values would be compared and diminished against their values. If that is the case, it is brutal.
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If it's something that specifically applies to other survivors, then yes.
But your Overzealous for example would not reduce someone else's Deja Vu since that effect never gets applied to them, only to you
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No I mean, if I have my 10% overzealous, and another survivor have 6% deja vu. Will that be stacked together 16% speed?
Or will diminishing return make deja vu 3% and together 13% speed co up value
And with me giving prove thyself 10% to another survivor. Will that value be valued as their 100% and then their deja become 50% less?
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I guess this answer works too. Hopefully a Dev could confirm this
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If the only perks in play are your Overzealous and the other survivor's Deja Vu, then no there would be no diminishing returns at all even if you are working together. You would both get full value from your perks as you each only have 1 bonus and that bonus is exclusive to the perk owner.
When you add in Prove Thyself on top of that, that's when diminishing returns kicks in as you both now have 2 repair speed bonuses each
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Ordered by it's highest values. So Resilience with deja vu used to be 15 % repair speed, now it's 12 %. If you run prove, resilience and deja vu, then you get 15 % bonus, was 25 %.
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I've tested this on and off, but yeah it's highest to lowest. They said it directly in the stream. A simpler example would be Adrenaline, Hope, and Urban Evasion for the sake of Math assuming all activation triggers are active.
Pre Diminishing Returns - 157% Haste
Urban Evasion - 100% Haste
Adrenaline - 50% Haste
Hope - 7% Haste
Post Diminishing Returns - 126.75% Haste
Urban Evasion - 100% Haste [Keeps 100%, as Highest Value]
Adrenaline - 25% Haste [Keeps 50% as 2nd highest]
Hope - 1.75% Haste [Heeps 25% as 3rd highest]
The application is, as you indicate in your post OP, highest to lowest. So highest source loses nothing. Second highest loses 50%, and so on down the list. Is there a particular part of the reduction process that is responsible for confusing you? I know your preference is a dev, but I'd love to help in the meanwhile.1 -
Diminishing Returns is bad now but over time they will hopefully review all perks and adjust numbers to make all perks good on their own instead of relying on combos to make them decent
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Not on their list for a while.
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Idk how Adrenaline and Urban can work together, but for your explaining because of the haste speed. I understand it. But I did understand all of this before making a post. I just got confused by who gets what by the build I had. And thank you for helping out!
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Happy to provide any help I can! 😀 Happy trialing!
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