Can we please do something about this 2 survivor scenario?! It is really boring to deal with.

No one should be entitled to a 4K win all the time. I mean, come on. How LIKELY is that scenario in the first place, unless you play in the most scummy way known to man.
Take the 3K and be happy about it. So what if the last survivor gets out. I usually say "good for them" and move on to the next game.

And to be fair. @cogsturning has a very good point in their last post. Take that to heart, and forget about your ego for a second.

There is nothing wrong with playing for different goals until those goals are actively detrimental to someone else without there being a real gameplay benefit to you. The only thing you gain from a 4k over a 3k is a tiny amount of bloodpoints that you probably would have gotten faster by getting into and completing your next match sooner.

You enjoy the feeling of a full shutdown because of your ego, it doesn't have to live or die on the number but its still your ego driving that feeling. You're right that there isn't anything wrong with that until you remember there is someone just waiting for the match to finish so they can move on. If you know where the survivor is or the second last survivor is already on hook I see no reason not to go for the 4k but going out of your way to leave someone slugged to ensure a 4k is a problem.

Everything leading up to getting a 4 out requires effort and skill on the part of the survivors and even with the increased endurance it still requires coordination from the survivors to get the person off hook and out the door and as someone that is practically always solo queue on survivor I can't just talk to my teammates to coordinate something. The survivors are also risking things going badly and giving the killer more than a 1k. I am not saying the endgame with four survivors alive is truly difficult but it does still require something from the survivors.

Getting to the 2v1 requires skill and effort from the killer but everything beyond that is basically a foregone conclusion. If you already have a survivor slugged or have more than a single gen remaining you effectively have infinite time. That plus bloodlust and the entity blocker means the survivor will go down eventually, if someone can't down a survivor before the last gen(s) gets done or before the slug bleeds out in a 2v1 they frankly suck at killer. Once you are in a 2v1 a 3k is practically guaranteed and a 4k is guaranteed if you slug for it and neither requires much real skill or effort at this point. The game will literally handhold you to the downs and all you have to do is chase the survivor until you accrue bloodlust and windows block.

I only brought up adepts because someone else simultaneously talked about adept and challenges that require a 4k and then also claimed challenges that require an escape no longer exist despite that being easily proven false. I don't care for adepts on either side and nothing forces you to go for them. I don't think they are indicative of skill on either side. I am very much in favor of changing killer adepts to not require a 4k.

More matches, even right now, end in a 4k than a 3k. The only reason there are not even more 4k matches is because people don't bother to slug for it or they give hatch. If everyone slugged for it there would be very few 3k matches.

You accept that a 3k is a win and that the survivor is merely getting a pity escape and even then that pity escape exists primarily so that you both can move on to your next match, I don't understand why that is such a hard concept to grasp. If someone gloats about a hatch escape or tbags on hatch they are a moron and you should laugh at them. (Starting collapse when the last survivor dies would be an option for this. You would have some killers stand on hatch to prevent doors which happens now but I still think that would at least a little better.)

The survivor standing at the finish line is the only situation where the killer doesn't have the advantage and it isn't in play a lot of the time. I did exactly what I suggested in my killer matches today and in all cases no one actually brought a hatch offering and in only one of them did I not end up getting the 4k (admittedly a small sample size of 4). The gate standoff is even more rng dependent than hatch, short of hatch spawning at someones feet. Gates regularly spawn in such a configuration that they are impossible to open without the killer finding you and yes sometimes in a configuration that is impossible to patrol for some killers.

It isn't entitled of the survivor because it is clearly the intended way for the match to end once the killer has secured their 3k, victory. Choosing to circumvent that by forcing someone to sit slugged on the ground solely so you can get a 4k win instead of a 3k win is clearly entitled. I am not saying the current setup is perfect and would love to see it reworked but since I don't see that happening with BHVRs current release cycle I am simply hoping for a bandaid to alleviate the worst part which is objectively the slugging for the 4k.

I understand doing it for a challenge and would also love to see those change to not require a 4k. it makes no sense to me why anyone would simultaneously decide that hatch as currently implemented is in any way compatible with anything requiring a 4k but that is BHVR for you.

How would you feel about being able to abandon once downed in a 2v1?

I said everyone in the slug for the 4k situation is being selfish except for the slug.

The killer is being selfish because they want 2500 more blood points more than they care about another human being's time.

The remaining survivor is being selfish because they want 2500 blood points more than they care about another human being's time.

That's why the entire situation needs fixing. It's just bad gameplay. But it's equally dumb if the killer automatically kills both remaining survivors because they killed one of the two and it removes the whole "last one standing" aspect of the kind of horror movie this game is trying to emulate.

That being said, you don't lose if the survivor gets hatch, nor does the survivor who gets hatch win. The game does a terrible job communicating this but it is the case.

The only thing is that the game sometimes requires hatch escapes for challenges. But it also requires you to shut the hatch for challenges.

Something being allowed doesn't make it OK or justified. I am not asking you to not win, I'm not asking you to not tunnel or slug in general, and I am not asking you to not take every advantage you can to win the match, I am only asking that you not slug for the 4k because you have already won at that point and it creates an unnecessary bad experience for the slugged player.

I don't know you and frankly I don't want to. When its as incredibly simple as it is to just not slug for the 4k in consideration of the slugged player then yes I think it reflects poorly on you as a person. You can call it moralizing all you want, your actions reflect poor character.

Survivors care only for their own escape.

If you really felt for slugged people you'd help them instead of being such a vulture for the hatch.

But your own escape and ego are more important so youd rather hide in a corner and blame the killer for your own strategy.

Did i suggest in any way that you gotta stop being a vulture?

Youre free to be egoistic , but survivors should pratices what they preach about empathy for other players or shut up about it, dontcha think?

So id suggest the last survivor to silently jump into the pity escape hatch, get their escape score and then shut it about killers being evil for slugging

Some quests requires xx kills

My idea with the hatch change for the long time was that it spawns the same way as it is right now, but works differently:
If killer finds the hatch first and closes it - survivor instantly sacrificed (killed by the entity, like endgame collapse)
If survivor finds the hatch first and jumps into it - he teleported into different location and 2 minute (subjective for balancing) timer starts. Now the killer can't close the hatch, he has to find and enter it, and down survivor before timer runs out (timer starts the moment survivor enters the hatch, not the moment the killer does it)
Inside the hatch, all perks, items and powers are disabled, killer speed is set to 4.6 (maybe also no bloodlust?), and there are some basic tiles (not randomized? More like halloween location (not in terms of strenght of the tiles), where it is always the same. not sure about that)
If survivor manages to last 2 minutes inside - they escape. If downed - killed by the entity.

What do you think about this? It doesnt fix the 2v1 problem, but at least it makes the last one escaping feel more deserved, instead of the simple "i'm feeling lucky"

upd. Maybe also add killer instinct for a few seconds when killer enters the hatch, so the survivor has to outlast killer in chase, not just hide till the timer runs out

Do you think I want to wait twiddling my thumbs while the slug bleeds out? That's BORING and if there's one thing a rulebreaker hates is being bored.

Besides that point, the response was because the first one suggested that if we cared about our slugged mate we'd do something. That situation shows we CAN'T do something, or atleast something practical to help them, without giving the killer what they want. That rewards them and would promote more of these situations…which ain't a good thing Watson.

why does it have to be a bleedout mechanic? why not a form of unbreakable, to discourage the slug and keep the match going. even if it means being broken the rest of the match, would be better than bleeding out and might create some interesting clutch plays

well, i guess, if you arent confident enough to hold off M1 no power(no bloodlust?) killer for a certain time? Which most of the time, in my experience, means you were just hiding to wait till your teammates died

The way MMR works its actually technically a loss. Because a single match is not a 1v4, for 4 1v1s.

However, there is a bunch of opportunity here to create a fun scenario for both sides. I have suggest before but once you get down to the last survivor instead of hatch it should teleport both the killer and survivor to a halloween style event zone with a couple of loops and an unclosable hatch in the middle, disable the killer's power, and all the perks and set the killer's speed to 115 and disabling bloodlust. Then after a minute or something the hatch opens. So basically the game ends with a 1v1. This makes it so the better player is the one who gets the win there, and also creates a scenario where survivors who normally aren't good at looping are able to practice that and it could also enable us to create a real 1v1 style mode in the future.