Stop hard tunneling.

No, I am asking to keep the gameplay perfectly balanced. 5 Gens, two escapes, two kills. That's a perfect 50/50 balance. You're asking Killers not to play to win. Why can survivors do everything in their power to try to get that 4-man out, but if the killer goes for one kill in a way that isn't approved by the Survivor Council, well that just won't do?

BHVR has been caught lying to our faces several times in the past. I don't look at their "statistics", I look at their reputation, which is demonstrably untrustworthy.

That being said, body blocking with OTR or base-kit anti-tunnel? That's a tunnelin'

Using said OTR then hopping into a locker to force the DS? That's a tunnelin'

Following me around while injured trying for flashlight saves while making no effort to stay concealed? That's a tunnelin'

Not every hard tunnel falls out of the sky. Sometimes you asked for it.

Never said both sides didn't have rulebooks. That's my entire point. The Survivor Rulebook has no meaning, the Killer Rulebook has no meaning. Play how you want. You can't tell me not to tunnel just as I can't tell you not to gen rush. It's all absurd.

What about survivor bully squads? Where is THEIR empathy? It has nothing to do with empathy. It has to do with this is a game with clear goals. Survivors repair generators to open the exit gates, killers try to stop them by putting them on hooks. Beyond that, as long as you aren't cheating or exploiting bugs, how either side chooses to achieve their goals is up to each player, including the worst survivor bully squads.

It's very much unfun for killers when survivors bring the best meta perks, purple toolboxes and BNPs and 3 gens pop before the killer even gets their first hook. That's why any thing of "Where's your empathy?" is well, yes absurd.

What you're doing is creating a false equivalence.

This would be like saying 'if a person can take money out of a bank when they have an account, why is it wrong for a person to take money out of a bank when they rob it. Either taking money out of the bank is always okay, or never okay'.

Or if you prefer something behavior based, just because some standards of politeness throughout human history are silly, that doesn't mean all rules of politeness are silly.

The fact that some 'rules' that people try to create are wrong, doesn't mean all 'rules' are wrong. If someone says people shouldn't hard tunnel, pointing to a bad rule doesn't actually relate.

And some of the killer rules are absolutely fine. If a 4 person SWF is experienced playing together and they bring the best possible gear, yeah, I don't think that's right. Bully squads who don't try and advance the game, yeah, bad. When unhookable builds were a thing, absolutely no survivor should have been running them.

You really don't see people complaining about bully squads? Regardless of that it does regard some empathy. If everyone goes full optimizing cut throat what happens? A large amount of players leave the unfun cesspool it becomes. If the lacking a certain level of empathy causes people to leave then there's no game. Yes this applies to swf bully squads and they need to do it too.

No, what you are doing is a strawman. Tactics, fun or not, allowed in a video game are not equivalent to real-life criminal behavior. Hence, by making that comparison, you're trying to say that I think bank robbery is okay because I think tunneling is okay.

because survivors were using it aggresivly they said that in the stream and survuvor is gaining 10 seconds of elusive the strongest survivor effect after endurance so stop healing under hook and body blocking and you can easily get away

What?

A strawman is an argument that the other side has never made that the person then attacks. I'm making a comparison to another situation. You might disagree with the comparison, but it certainly isn't a strawman.

Hence, by making that comparison, you're trying to say that I think bank robbery is okay because I think tunneling is okay.

That's not how logical comparisons work.

I'm saying that the logic you are trying to use to make your point is wrong, I'm demonstrating that by showing if the same logic was applied to a different situation how obviously absurd it would be.

To be clear, I'm not saying you think bank robbery is okay. That's, again, obviously absurd. I'm explaining how your logic though leads to the same place. It's a fallacy in the reasoning.

I also gave a second comparison in there for you as well that didn't deal with a crime.

And if you wanted to avoid the comparison issue entirely, I gave you the name of what you are doing, false equivalence.

And just to sum up the argument again - 'just because some 'rules' that 'some' people have might be bad, is not evidence that 'all' possible rules are inherently bad.'

because they are intended mechanics in the game. hence why the game was specifically designed to include and devs have made changes to discourge it someone but they clearly want them to remain in the game.

and people can complain about it all they want but these have been in the game for 10 years and the game is doing fine. your gonna complain and moan about every inconvenience you have but then youll still que up and play

one of the most frustrating and fallacious tactics people use in discussions is what you just did.

If you defend or pushback on an argument for X reasons you must do so because you do the very thing and want to justify that.

your not being conducive to actual mature conversation.

if you want to have a real conversation even under disagreement then have one. but what you did is annoying and demonstartes an unwillingness to have honest genuine disccusions but reframe opposition to your positions in a way that pushes your narrative or can dismiss anothers views.

so lets make it clear. i am not a tunneler or slugger except for the cases where it makes sense. i dont need to nor is it the type of playstyle i utilise with my killers (or find thrilling)with the exception of twins because they are built to slug a little.

nor do i slug for 4ks unless the 4th was right by me when i downed the 3rd.

and yet you decided to make an assumption on how i play because youd rather it fit your desired narrative than on the actual topic at hand.

ive made no statement or claim that slugging or tunneling are something you should find fun but the way people act the find nothing fun in this game, there is not a single mechanic in this game that doesnt have everyone complaining over it.

youll just need to get over it. get constructive feedback and inform the devs you like or dislike something but this game does have a design personality to it and tunneling and slugging are part of that.

it objetively does not matter that you dont like it or i like it, thats still how the game is designed and its clearly a fine way to play the game as the people who made the product have stated many times. though of course if every game is tunneling or whatever then they would want to disersify the game behaviors people are doing.

all that will ever happen is some of the most annoying methods both roles can do can get mitigated eventually, but the tbagging, slugging, dc, that stuff is here to stay

Hard tunneling is how the game is meant to be played. Why do you think the devs just made three killers in a row who all have mini-moris that bypass Decisive Strike, two of which get their mini-mori completely for free and are basically guaranteed to be able to use it? This is a feature, not a bug.

A strawman can also be making an illogtcal comparison to shift the goalposts. Robbing a bank is in no way a reasonable comparison to tunneling, and therefore THAT is why your argument is a strawman.