So DBD sucks now

I had much harder matches as killer after the update than over weeks before, so I wouldn't say that it seems to be too bad

I know they are connected, but it's only the killers who are expected to play worse, survivors have no point to not do the gens so why killers have to not play effectively. I don't understand the unfun argument, survivor being tunneled gets to chase whole game so they don't have to do gens (which are boring to do), killers still chase the same way they would with any survivor.

I would be happy if tunneling got removed but it would need to be fair to the killer side too.

This is a casual game in theory.

Also you get absolute nothing in this game if you win, since no ranked mode, for proper competitive PvP game I would look elsewhere

The reality is that any pvp game invites competitiveness. People like building up their own skill to beat other human players.

If DBD was purely a casual game than survivors have no reason to complain about dying regardless of the methods. Because it just doesn't matter as you say.

I've been spending more time playing Dead by Daylight, and I always play as a solo survivor. I know it's getting harder for me now, but I always try all sorts of ways to get more wins.

and what exactly are these "other changes"? So many survivor mains cry that "turn everyone into swf and THEN balance killlers".

Do you know what happened to games that did -exactly- that?

- VHS : Dead
- TCSM : Dead
- Halloween: Dead

literally any asym game that has catered to the "group" is dead and buried because, guess what, letting survivors auto win if they have a pulse does not translate well into game health. Which turns into hour long queues which turns into people stop queueing which eventually turns into dead game.

Two of those are Gun, they died because that is what Gun does, take an IP, make a game they market as live service that will surely go on, then throw them in the trash once they have wrung some money out of you while blaming lawsuits or any other reason they can find. I never touched VHS or saw much about it but I have heard everything killed it, balance, marketing, matchmaking placing brand new players against experts from a closed beta, small playerbase from the get go, I would assume it was a combination of these and not just one factor, so the games overall management is to blame. Queue time for any game on any "side" will go long if you favor one side too much regardless of which side or game we are talking about.

For your actual question, how can I expect you to be asking this in good faith when you ask it like that? Crying about this game is universal and I would argue that whether the game is currently balanced for swf or solo is entirely dependent on which killer we are talking about, low tier solo, top tier swf. I will humor the possibility that you are in fact asking this in good faith but know that it will be a wall of text.

It depends on how exactly tunneling gets addressed. The more we do in one direction the more we need to do in the other as well.

My personal preference would be to pool all survivors first eight hooks, this completely eliminates the possibility of someone out early so it demands similar measures on the other side. This would mean some form of regression/slowdown on most hooks. We would still want to encourage going after each individual survivor rather than just target the same one over and over again so something should be considered there as well.

I would suggest either a regression event (pain res style) or gens are repaired more slowly (thana style) for some number of seconds when a survivor is hooked for the first time with the second hook giving a less potent effect than the first. I would additionally propose boosting the second hook event to a higher value than normal if the killer has hooked all four survivors once before they hook any survivor for a second time. Should the killer hook everyone once and then hook everyone again for two hooks on everyone to get the eight they should get a significant effect. I wouldn't commit to any specific values or effects right here because that is going to need a lot testing and balancing.

In my ideal world we would take this one step further and remove all other gen speed up/slowdown/regression/blocking/etc on both sides with the exception of gen kicks and the regressing they cause, there is too much variance between running no slowdown and four slowdown perks and whether or not survivors bring gen speed perks and toolboxes. This and the above establishes a speed generators will be repaired at, no slower, no faster, except where baseline mechanics interact with them. An adjustment to this that could be made to still maintain some variance on regression by allowing the killer to pick one form of regression in a fifth perk slot and have these perks only selectable in that one slot but the balance on these would need to be pretty strict since we want to limit gen speed variance.

We should also be treating different killers differently, its past time ghostface stopped playing under the same rules nurse does. Part of the reason I wouldn't want to commit to a specific value right now is that I think it should be different for different killers. You could instead alter other aspects of the trial such as pallet count or baseline gen speed for different killers but BHVR has been reluctant to do that so if that isn't going to happen we should do something about it here. I personally would also love if each killer got a unique effect upon hooking and we could even tie that into the other system where the effect is buffed for the rest of the trial if you hook each survivor once before hooking someone else with the final eight hook effect being killer dependent as well. An example of this could be unknown randomly infecting a survivor or two.

I want you to understand though that I don't think any of this is a complete solution, I am almost certainly missing things and there are probably scenarios that I haven't thought of that would be problematic. Baseline gen time would probably need to be adjusted at the same time but to what I am unsure as it depends on the strength of all the above. It would touch so much of the game that it is difficult to understate how many things would need to be altered. At least some of this is also stepping on the toes of existing perks so those would possibly need changes or reworks. I am open to other options and I do in fact want it to be fair to both roles. The current state seems to be a problem for everyone that complains about tunneling and everyone that complains about gen speeds, we could have a better funner game for everyone it would just take work.

Small edit: this also needs anti slug, we want to remove early elimination so that likely means removing bleed out timers and allowing self pickup after a few minutes, this also acts as a way for killers to play around a survivor that has been hooked trying to get hooked again to prevent the 4 hook buff, survivor gets slugged and probably just wasted time

 small playerbase from the get go

I think this is really underrated as a reason for why some of these games fail. Some just didn't have the appeal to draw an audience, people didn't even take time to really look at gameplay or balance.

First off great response, most people don't even put a fraction of the energy you did into responding. The reason I come off so hostile is because this idea (on both sides) has been proposed ad nauseum 500x for the last 6+ years. Turn every solo queue game into swf and THEN balance killers, OR the flip side…buff every killer to be like S tiers and THEN balance survivors around that. In an ideal world sure, absolutely. But BHVR can't even balance perks (STB, DS, DH) or killers (Nurse, Judgement, Skull merchant) without it taking months to years, and it typically resolves into gutting whatever is strong at any given moment. Your ideas are all great but you run into an immediate issue where players "dont want to get punished for bad teammates" so they'll not want to play in such systems you describe.

However, I think no matter what the quality of your teammates dictate your games enjoyment so this idea of "I can win regardless of how bad my teammates are" is flawed. Again though, people don't want to pool hook states, or suddenly have their gen explode because N hooks get met because "muh teammates bad". I 100% agree with everything you say, but being real between public perception and BHVR's track history of buffs and nerfs I cannot even fathom how such a thing can be produced in terms of real dates and real details. Your idea of treating bad killers different vs good killers is also great…but who identifies the tiers? What if ghostface got a 3x reveal buff? Is he suddenly judgement tier? What if trapper spawns with all traps on his person? Who dictates what buffs/nerfs move killers up/down in the tier list?