On the Legion Update and Developer Communication

remember that, not only legion can be played with "moonwalk" thing. :)) and also there exists other methods for making borrowed time's deep wound status to decrease it's timer

@DocOctober Right. They absolutely do. But that itself doesn't change how the BT change ONLY punishes Moonwalkers trying to bypass the timer. If stupid survivors go for an unhook, and BT goes off, nothing has changed. Unless you rely on walking backwards to circumvent the point of BT. If you hit them and chase them normally/as intended or leave them alone, this change has affected nothing in your gameplay.

@DocOctober Okay, help me understand. How does Borrowed Time, NOT ticking down while in your TR, punish a killer who is going to chase them LEGIT when hook rushed?

It's not. It only affects you if you cheese or let them leave you and sit in your TR to mend. But guess what....If you let them go, downing them wasn't your intention to begin with. Also, pre change they could sit in your TR and mend without going down.

Literally the only change is that it wont tick in TR as opposed to Chases. Meaning if youre looking at them, and not moonwalking, it doesn't punish you.

So please help me understand why killers who dont moonwalk to exploit borrowed times countdown are punished.

@DocOctober Are you serious right now?

As it is RIGHT NOW If you are in a chase, it wont tick down...

From the BT page: After unhooking a Survivor within the Killer's Terror Radius, for 15 seconds, any damage taken that would put the unhooked Survivor into the Dying State will instead apply the Deep Wound Status Effect.

Deep Wounds Applied By: Borrowed Time, Feral Frenzy.

Deep wounds DOES NOT TICK DOWN WHILE IN A CHASE.

Which is why moonwalking around it is an exploit.

This changes nothing in your scenario...You can loop killers with BT RIGHT NOW.

@DocOctober No, moonwalking to workaround Deep wounds was an exploit, which is why its been changed. The pause timers were there to prevent you bleeding out WHILE being chased.

It wasn't a workaround or a counterplay, it was an exploit in design flaws that caused a perk to basically not exist in the match.

As I said before, Moonwalking is fine, use it to mindgame, use it to sneak up on people with no red stain. But using it to make the game THINK youre NOT in a chase when you clearly are is an exploit.

BT being activated by hook rushers happens. If you could simply say "nah i don't want to let your BT mean anything because im not a camper and dont deserve it" and moonwalk around it, you would be negating the entire perk and its activation simply because you don't want to deal with hook rushes?

This change is perfectly fine, only fixes issues that were being exploited, and the only ones truly upset about it are either extremely biased, or the ones using said exploit.

@DocOctober Im gonna be done debating/arguing with you at this point. It's obvious you take the info I give you and try to fit it to what you want to be true.

A workaround is a workaround, right. but when you use a workaround, to gain an advantage, or otherwise bypass intended mechanics through a design flaw, its called an exploit. That shouldn't happen.

You've given examples of why you think the change punishes the innocent, and i've shown you how that's not true, but you want to contuinue to rant and fall back onto thse kind of arguements :  "It is a horror game for Entity's sake, Survivors should fear the Killer and not give them a big [BAD WORD] you and just do whatever they please without the fear of any repercussions thanks to the umpteenth safety net Perk. "

When in reality, as Ive said, that perk is situational, and does it's job. the ones upset are BIASED OR UNWILLING TO PLAY WITHOUT BYPASSING INTENDED MECHANICS.

I agree it should have simply stayed a timer, and not bleedout. But when it changed to bleedout it gave a slight buff to escape chance, as the killer could simply follow you around until you die in front of them.

Killers Saw this as OP for some reason, and decided to say "######### the chase mechanic, ima walk backwards and get the old results".

Dev's realized this was not intended for BT or legion, and changed it to TR so that those people in question could no longer exploit design flaws to gain unintended results.

As I said originally, Im done debating this with you. You've tried to paint me as a survivor main, throw petty arguements about and refuse to either see logic or adtmit that its an exploit tactic that needed to end. So good luck. Have fun out there. But please try to learn to take things from both perspectives, and not just your own.

Hilariously you could probably stay in the borrowed time state forever on a small map like the game vs terror radius doc. Dunno how useful that would be but its funny