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When Legion Becomes A Powerhouse, I Expect To See ZERO Complaint Threads About It.
I get that the Legion changes are controversial. To most, they're balancing changes with a few tweaks needed, but to QUITE A FEW others, they seem to be the end of the world. Rendering Legion a useless sack of flour in a wheel-less wheelchair.
So, in a few weeks when this hits live, I don't want to see a single thread complaining that Legion is "too op" or "impossible to play against".
We hear the community (even if it turns out to be untrue, like every other reaction pre release) saying Legion will be useless. So don't come back crying about how hard it is to face them if (when) you're proven horribly wrong.
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What you wanna see doesn't matter, fam. Peeps are gonna complain no matter what changes happen. Especially about controversial trash like Legion.
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@The_Bogeyman So are you commenting to add to the discussion? Or are you just here to try and stir up drama?
Im well aware people are going to complain about things regardless if they complained the exact opposite argument moments before. Im simply stating it now, so when it happens, it's documented as such.
"Oh, you say Legions too powerful now? (insert link) remember when everyone said they would be useless?"
This community does it on every single piece of upcoming changes or new perks.
Which is exactly why I made this post.
Also, controversial trash? Nah, people complained about them before live, and kneejerk reactions, and changes, led us to the moonwalking exploits that we have currently. People complained about "All legions just moonwalk or tunnel and its no fun" and how boring it is to try and live against a legion who does these things. They announced changes to address that, and others complaints about them being "not fun", some good, some questionable, some unnecessary, and now people are saying they'll be too useless. Without actually seeing how the changes work.
They were never trash. They just weren't Nurse/Billy tier.
The only trash thing about them is how people would bully people simply for playing them, or DC against them because "omg I cant just run in circles against this killer".
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Of course we do on every change or perk or tweak or whatever. This is a discussion board and there are only so many times we can respond to "What is your favorite Meg shorts" post. So we over react on any and every change. Its more entertaining that way. Just grab some popcorn and enjoy the next week of extreme responses.
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I'm commenting because you're saying what you don't wanna see here. Like peeps are gonna not complain because you don't wanna see it. You can't be a newbie to Dbd community. Nearly everything said is complaining and whining.
Nope ain't nobody complaining because they ain't Nurse or Billy tier. No no no. All killers would be controversial that ain't Nurse or Billy if that was the beef.
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I just want the "Miss attack, lose Frenzy" thing to go.
The rest I can live with.
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@lasombra79 I have no problem with posts discussing pros and cons about changes, just the ones that are simply "LeGiOn Is UsElEsS nOw I wAnT mY mOnEy BaCk!" because they dont have content, and devolve into name calling and arguments, not civil discussions.
@The_Bogeyman I feel like you have no idea what im actually saying. Im WELL AWARE that people are going to complain. Hell, I'm not asking people to not complain because I don't want to see it. I'm saying that "I don't wanna see it" as a call out to all the over reacting crybabies we get in here every other update.
Also, they absolutely WERE arguing they weren't Billy tier when released. It came up in a Q%A and Cote LITERALLY SAID that "not all killers have to be Billy/Nurse viable. Some can be fun" and people LOST THEIR MINDS. People called out the devs about it, complained about "######### fun its a killer that cant kill" "their power is being able to NOT 4k" kind of crap. It absolutely WAS a point of debate that Legion was not viable at high ranks.
lastly: "I'm commenting because you're saying what you don't wanna see here. Like peeps are gonna not complain because you don't wanna see it. You can't be a newbie to Dbd community. Nearly everything said is complaining and whining."
So you literally only commented, because I stated something I don't want to see, and felt the need to what, tell me I cant say that? I'm not allowed to expect the community to not be a bunch of flip flop crybabies? Im not allowed to expect the community to act better than that?
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This! I am not loving the changes to Legion , but I could live with them if this one thing gets changed. It's just too much.
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@IronKnight55 How do you feel about not seeing blood while in Frenzy as well as scratches now?
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That needed to happen since otherwise you basically had Unrelenting for free till your timer ran out which was stupid. Don't aim properly or time your attack right, hey no problem spam away until you land a hit.
It'd be like Nurse having no fatigue on her blinks and allowing her to blink endlessly until she landed a hit then having fatigue for 1 blinks worth.
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I don't really mind it.
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Noone with an iq above 40 was complaining that legion was OP.. They were complaining that he had no real counters, took no real skill to play and was boring to play against.
A balance discussion post changes would be a completely different conversation.
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Legion can't f***ing ignore walls, and he has no map pressure compared to her. A good Nurse will down you very quickly, Legion is pretty f***ing easy to 360 even when in Frenzy. If you can spam attacks does it guarantee a hit? No.
Don't compare a low/mid tier killer with Nurse
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The thing is nobody is going to complain because he got nerfed! How is he going to get more powerful the legion nerfs were nessesary but some of them weren't like they actually nerfed him to the ground but I guess we will truly see how he plays in the PTB
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Oh good grief just stop, you obviously don't care about actual facts and logic here and most ppl can't 360 a Legion. Most good Legions also can't be 360'd especially with the spam swings.
So yes if you can spam swings it GUARANTEES A HIT since if you can swing endlessly it means a hit will happen. You're just mad that know Legion will actually take some skill instead of being able to exploit and swing mindlessly.
Let's see no map pressure, can runa cross the map extremely fast, can ensure someone goes down no matter what. With Nurse there was at least some counterplay even against good nurses.
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When the majority of the community agrees that Legion was nerfed too hard to be among the weakest killers (Wraith, Freddy)
I expect to see a complaint thread about it from you.
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You cannot take people serious for complaining. They should test Legion and THEN they can give an opinion. Better test him out on the Live Server and not only on the PTB to form an opinion.
I will try Legion out, maybe then I will not feel like my Braincells are shrinking when playing Legion.
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I played both as and against Legion. It doesn't guarantee a hit. I can fairly easily avoid the Frenzy attacks, and it's not like Frenzy is infinite, avoid for long enough and run away.
Legion can run? Yes. But doing the math it's actually faster to walk if you don't use certain add-ons. Run for a while, get stuck for a couple of seconds, you would have made the same distance and even more without Frenzy. This is with 110% movement speed, with the new buff to MS and nerf to FF you will never want to use Frenzy. Of course this depends on how long it lasts now.
Again. Don't compare Legion to Nurse.
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I doubt that he will be a powerhouse but if I am wrong I won't complain lol but the chances of him being good are very very very slim
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@SpaceCoconut I dont see the community agreeing that Legion was nerfed too hard. I see the community in an uproar over balancing. It's not a nerf across the board, as much as you may want it to be.
If Legion turns out to ACTUALLY be trash, there won't be a post?
I feel like you missed the point of my thread, only to try to attack me.
I'm flattered.
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After reading the Legion Update I just feel like their power is useless now. They're just going to be another M1 killer. I liked the power :(
But I do agree it needed some change.
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What most ppl seem to be missing in all this is we have yet to see his reworked addons and how that'll affect his gameplay. There'll doubtless be many playstyles that can be utilised similar to other killers.
I'd guess it'll take a few weeks for people on both sides to figure things out once it goes live then qol stuff can be done afterwards. By the time it goes live the MOM issues should probably be addressed or a better timeline will come out.
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If they wrote down what the add-on changes did I would probably less worried, but as of now we know nothing about those.
And I personally think MOM is fine but I don't want to argue about it.
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Yeah I agree, a list might be nice but since PTB's coming up soon probably don't want to ruin surprise or start the usual flamefest before it's even tested.
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I hope the pins are useful now 😂
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New Legion has a power that tracks, disables a survivor for 10 seconds, and near guarantees a free first hit.
Legion is, at minimum, a better Doc which makes him better than he was and likely mid tier at worst
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But... like.... the people saying it's going to be a Nerf and are unhappy about it.... aren't the people that are gonna be mad if it turns out these changes somehow magically make The Legion a Powerhouse. The community isn't one single person. It's a group of completely different people, who all have their own things to complain about.
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It wasn't an attack, I didn't bother to read your post.
I was just offering up the inverse of the title.
It literally had nothing to do with you personally, I just felt like posting it.
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@SpaceCoconut Ah I gotchya. Seemed like it was sass towards the post. But fair enough. Been a little heated today so I probably just assumed too much.
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A killer requiring add-ons to be playable is not a good killer. That's a weak killer. One that is too inconsistent to be taken seriously.
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Y'all who think Legion is overpowered...
And to the OP...
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/423066/#Comment_423066
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/423078/#Comment_423078
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/423113/#Comment_423113
Here's my part in the discussion, @Carpemortum . From someone who has spent a LOT of time on Legion on PS4.
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@bubbascal I don't think they're op, I'm just saying for all the people who want to react before seeing the changes in action, to not complain when the opposite of what is being screamed is true.
I get what you're saying, and agree with/understand most of the points you made, but these changes are going to change how to play Legion quite a bit, so until we see HOW they affect the actual gameplay, I find it hard to believe that a blanket "nerf" has been put on them.
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On PS4? Yikes
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@Free_Hugs A PC elitist? Yikes.
Only thing you can argue about console vs PC on the game is things like Nurse's turning and teleports. You can still play the game completely and understand how balancing works.
No need to gatekeep them because of what they play on.
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Wow! What a amazing argument! I've been completely and utterly destroyed, I will go delete DBD and never play it again to honor your 9000+ IQ reply!
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I can tell you this: Nurse isn't god tier on PS4. Neither is Hunty. You never see Nurses, especially good ones. If you put in the time to learn console nurse, you could probably put in the same amount of time on any other killer and get more consistent results. Even if Nurse can stop looping.
I also understand both metas fairly well, even if I know PS4 a bit more than PC.
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They were considered OP because of Frank's, which should have had a change a long time ago. And this is coming from someone who plays both sides. But Legion, at their core, is weak.
I kinda agree with your "let's wait and see" approach, and that's what a PTB is for, but these are the same devs who leaked a Survivor's FULLY FUNCTIONING PERKS (I've tested this in KYF) early on, causing all hype around Plague and Jane to be changed to Ash.
These devs don't tend to listen to feedback anyways.
"Community" is also composed of Killers and Survivors. The majority is Survivor mains. So trying to argue the "community" is a hypocrite is lumping two groups of people together, who should definitely be considered different groups, is wrong.
I'm pretty firm on my stance that the devs are changing's the Legions purpose or they've given up on the original idea. Which is a shame. It could have worked if it just got the changes I suggested.
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Not being elitest about it. Console killers have a legitimate handicap and knowing that puts his outrage in better perspective.
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You mean Nurse, Legion and Huntress?
Legion can still work on PS4, I have learnt to aim well with their Frenzy hits, I don't miss easily. I don't see Legions that much, but that is no longer the case. Which is good, as playing against Legion is kinda fun.
On launch, Legion could be 360'd while they were in Frenzy. Their speed and camera view made them easy to get behind. Console benefits from the no penalty on missed strikes. That's going down the drain though. :/
I wouldn't be surprised if Legions no longer use their power, and literally just M1/R2 when this patch is live.
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Hmmn people play perkless and addon less Freddy still get 4k at red ranks, Trapper yep, Billy yep, Bubba yep, Nurse yep, Huntress yep etc etc etc.
The issue would seem to be not that the killer needs addons to play but the person behind the killer needs to get better at playing the game.
The addons aren't required to play but help in reinforcing your chosen playstyle, want jump scare as Spirit go that route, want ms instead well go that route. Want tracking well go that route.
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I can't wait for the changes:)
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This, this is literally the only thing I have an issue with, larger TR to a degree too but I can live with that but missed one attack is too much
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They could change it so that if you miss an attack it drains 2x the energy as what a hit would be. That would keep people from simply spamming it like currently although the change isn't bad.
You have to make sure you're going to hit them not act like you've got free unrelenting and swing wildly till you get a hit.
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@powerbats I get that you're not meant to swing wildly but sometimes you don't get that first hit because they change directions/ 360 etc and you have a narrow POV (hence part of why I run M&A and used to use shadowborn) I usually don't miss more than one hit though. It's just going to be a little overboard to go well you missed too bad *insert stun and power drain*
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Unless they make substantial changes to what was mentioned in the announcement then this thread is pointless because Legion clearly will not be a "powerhouse" with the proposed changes.
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Well like I said it'll be no different than other killers in the sense you get punished for missing an attack. My suggestion above would help with it quite a bit but my guess is that will get changed some.
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@powerbats Do you play console or PC, this may help as to why I think it's a bit much, I play console, it is much much less smooth, even with recent updates (that made everything look like mud), hence what may seem like "oh you just play bad, have a penalty" turns into "wow I love *nonexistent* console optimisation" plus it's longer than a normal killer missed attack... plus I didn't say your changes were a bad change I just mean all of what I have said towards the devs proposed mechanic
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Personally, even as a Legion main, I know very little how much this'll effect other people's playstyle.
For me, there are changes I'm fully for and changes I'm wondering why they added.
Apparently, I may have read this wrong, but missed Frenzy attacks cancel Frenzy now? That's a conplete 180° from the original idea.
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- Feral Frenzy is immediately and automatically cancelled whenever The Legion misses an attack while in frenzy.
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Yeah this, this is completely opposite of what the ability did before. Thank God it doesn't stun you (I hope) but it still doesn't make sense.
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@StarMoral The thing I don't get is if they fixed the deep wounds timer thing with this and legion can't do any more damage/timer etc with multiple frenzy attacks anymore then why such a heavy penalty for missing your first attack? What if you're trying to chain between survivors? Missed one, too bad, have to wait for a full bar recharge etc. I'm going to reserve full judgement until after I see how it plays in game but being a console pleb I just have to hope changes from PTB feedback reflect console issues which is unlikely in some cases stated above. 2-3 missed strikes causing this I could handle, missing first hit is a bit much
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