A Moment of Silence for Our Legion Mains

Legion will turn out quite strong.

I call it now

It isn't a nerf, being a M1 killer with a legitimately free hit and stall potential is basically what Pig and M&A Myers are. If you play a lot of trapper/Pig, you know that the difference between being injured and uninjured vs a M1 killer is super significant.

It does, however, turn them into a M1+ killer, which I think is more frustrating. They probably will actually be overall better, but will be generic as hell because the devs can't find a balance point for a steroid free hit as strong as the legion, and people obviously *want* to use their super awesome legion leapy stabs to down but no longer can.

Also, it is important to remember that if they literally removed Legion's power entirely and just gave them base movespeed, if legion literally did not have a power, they would be stronger than Freddy. Until Freddy gets a rework so that he isn't literally pure downside he will always be the worst killer. The meta of the game doesn't reward any of his upsides which makes his power just a head start for your opponent and a delay in you landing an attack, Freddy is legitimately worse than an M1 killer with no power, and Legion's power IS relevant to how DBD is played.

I wasn’t aware these changes were already in the PTB to confirm the death of The Legion.

Maybe try out the changes first before announcing a killer’s death :P

As the devs stared before time and again, it’s not always set in stone

@Weederick NOED gives a speed boost. Don't forget that, it's very important.

They're only option in a chase is to primary attack as their ability does not help them in a chase (e.g Wraith, Freddy and soon to be Legion if this patch goes live)

I am a tri-prestige trapper who consistently sits at rank 1. Trust me, I know how to evaluate a killer power, and it is more complex than "does this power have the ability to directly confirm hits/down" which is what you are conflating with "Does this power help in a chase?" Trapper for example can't really win a chase realistically with his traps at the moment unless the survivors are bad anyway, it mostly exists to pre-close loops in a way that very indirectly reduces total chase time if you have setup. Is it stronger or weaker than the old power? Probably stronger in really up there ranks, but I dunno, we will have to wait and see.

But he definitely wasn't *deleted.* An instant injury confirm is pretty powerful, it would be broken in the pre-vacuum era we (hopefully) are returning to. At the low end, it is probably going to feel a lot weaker than the old power, but in higher end games it is going to probably be stronger than Trapper because getting a free hit is stronger than making loops slightly longer in terms of time efficiency, especially as Legion doesn't have any setup time.

Again, I can't stress enough how it is totally valid that the SPIRIT of this killer was essentially ruined. and to be upset this is the devs capitulated AGAIN to survivors complaining about a NPE while pretty much totally ignoring years old killer NPEs. But a Wraith this ain't. It is a chase relevant power. It certainly doesn't make him worse than Freddy, Freddy would literally be stronger if he didn't have ANY power.

It just proves I have damage. Don't respect me for that.

I agree this is going to change how Legion feels a lot to the point he probably won't feel like the same character, and I think the worst part of this change is that it totally disrespects the 'fantasy' of being legion (Basically being allowed to move like a survivor and having a visceral, terrible stabbing fit to finish them) in order to solve a survivor NPE.

While that survivor NPE NEEDED to go away (Legion was sorta kinda a tiny bit bad for the game, and I say this while firmly believing Nurse is GOOD for the game), it really stinks that survivor NPEs are consistently prioritized and killers get very consistent radio silence.

But specificity and accuracy in feedback is important. There is a lot of unfocused anger at this because there IS something wrong with it and the whole situation, but unfocused agitation and anxiety is really easy to dismiss, redirect, and ignore. The fundamental issue is balance changes for survivors and killers are treated radically different, with survivors getting fast responses, clearer communication, nerfs that redistribute power rather than removing it, and changes made to their benefit made borderline permanent, while killer balance changes have unclear communication, no real timeframe to the point there are jokes that BHVR forgot about them, and are frequently reverted.

So if you are going to be mad about this change, be mad about that, rather than saying 'deleted' or 'worse than Freddy' because despite that accurately capturing the intensity of your feelings the statements just are not factually true and make animosity towards the devs for legitimately bad things they do easier to dismiss.

Let’s just wait for the ptb please. <3 :)

I just read the changes. That's ridiculous. Deep Wounds is useless now and Feral Frenzy is a worse Yamaoka's Haunting. Thanks for making Legion an average M1 killer though? Cause that is what he is now.

When you fix a problem it is best to fix it without going to an extreme over correct. The track and chase oriented killer can no longer chase or track for crap. Deep wounds pauses in terror radius even if you're not in a chase and you've increased the terror radius so now if you frenzy, on paper, you've wasted your time. Less speed, gimped tracking, and if you miss a single attack in frenzy you burn out instantly. I'm gonna hold my full judgment till a ptb comes, but this just looks terrible on paper. Feels like I'm getting screwed over for things that I didn't even do.

It's actually not out yet -- it comes out in a week.

I never put anything in your mouth, I was clarifying. :)

I was clarifying what you originally said. :)

Why now will apply Deep Wounds, if it does not decrease until the survivor will not go out of the radius of terror. Usually the survivor and does not go beyond the radius of terror, he does 200 laps around the palette. No need to apply Deep Wounds, immediately beat the usual attack.

The way that I play Legion already more or less lines up to the way that they're trying to make him be played. I run into a group, stab the crap out of people, then m1 someone the second time to get them down. I've always found it faster to get one m1 in than to follow them and keep stabbing with deep wounds until they fall, and I'm very impatient.

But with that being said, the changes to the frenzy are stupid. Like... You have to have it all the way charged to activate it? Why? If it can't deal extra deep wound damage, why would you have to have it fully charged to activate it?

& I hate, hate, hate, hate, the idea of missing a shot ending your frenzy. It's a FRENZY. & the ability to miss a shot without cooldown is what makes frenzy unique.

Yeah, agreed about the nurse thing--which means that he's going to be another killer that's incredibly difficult to play on console. It's really frigging hard to hit people while you're in a frenzy on console as it is. It's extremely easy for survivors to just side step as your camera whips around wildly.

I mean, bad as some of the changes are I have a bit of faith left that the harshness of the nerfs will be tuned down just a bit during the PTB. If not, well, then save a beer please.

"Legion gets a free hit and add ons reworked, we don't know the exact details because we are looking at this on paper." Good job gang, a free hit ignoring pallets and windows puts him above wraith and freddy already. With irridescent button, cold dirt, and bamboozle major loop spots become easy down places since he gets a free hit, breaks pallets, and moves at standard speed now and can block loops preemptively while closing distance with feral frenzy.

@Saint_Ukraine How in the hell is moonwalking an exploit it does absolutely nothing overpowered

@praisetheentity If it wasn't an exploit, then the devs wouldn't have removed it, now would they have?