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Is this game ever going to address how OP Billy Is?

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  • Yamaoka
    Yamaoka Member Posts: 4,321

    If I ever see a Clown running at me with 230% like Hillbilly I'll die laughing 😂

  • katoptris
    katoptris Member Posts: 3,180
  • Shad03
    Shad03 Member Posts: 3,732

    "I'm not saying it doesn’t take skill to play Billy, it does. But someone who masters a killer shouldn’t be guaranteed a 4k any more than someone who masters survivor should be uncatchable."

    Uhhh... Actually, that's exactly what it means. For both sides. If they practiced hard enough. Cause it's called skill.

    ...

    Entity damned normies.

  • TheBean
    TheBean Member Posts: 2,320
    edited May 2019

    TBH I don't think they can even touch Billy.. or even Nurse....


    What happens when you reduce their powers to where the rest of the killers sit?

    They would have to readjust the entire gen repairing to make it even possible for killers to get more then a couple kills a match. Gen rushing all around. I can't even imagine how high rank match would play out if you no longer had killers that could apply so much pressure as they do.


    What happens if you bring up any of the other killers to where Billy and Nurse are?... You'll get a bunch of survivors probably quitting cause they can't compete against another OP killer.


    IMO.. I think the Devs are in a dammed if you do and dammed if you don't situation with both those killers.

  • Tsulan
    Tsulan Member Posts: 15,095

    If they nerf Billy and Nurse, they better prepare for that ######### storm, coming from survivor mains that get no matches on high ranks.

  • thesuicidefox
    thesuicidefox Member Posts: 8,223

    The only things that need nerfing on Billy are insta-saw and the hitbox of chainsaw through walls/trees. Even as Billy I've chainsawed through trees before, like the survivor is clear on the other side and I still hit them. Pretty sure it has something to do with the Unreal Engine update a few months back because it never seemed to happen before that.

    But Billy himself is fine.

  • MistressChara
    MistressChara Member Posts: 112

    Prefacing a discussion by gaslighting your opposition is not a healthy way to discuss balance.

  • MasterUff
    MasterUff Member Posts: 78
    edited May 2019

    If the clown get the mobility of a chainsaw-sprint, then please on a unicycle with him juggling his flasks. That would be a nice clown.

  • HURRI_KAIN
    HURRI_KAIN Member Posts: 358

    Hitboxes with Billy are a problem, if he chainsaws near you in short distance, you're down. I've seen youtubers get chainsawed through walls and clipping corners. That needs fixed.

  • Fres0c0
    Fres0c0 Member Posts: 115

    Let me introduce you to pallet looping he's not instant downing you at that point and if there no pallet what are you doing in an unsafe place billy is strong not in need for a nerf all the other killers should be close to how good he is but like him and all other killers except nurse you can use pallets

  • VoidGamer
    VoidGamer Member Posts: 2

    you right

  • Judgement
    Judgement Member Posts: 955

    Why did you necro a three-month old post just to say ‘you right’?

  • ABannedCat
    ABannedCat Member Posts: 2,529

    There is also the other extreme. Where Billy gets stuck and bumps into .. air?

  • Glory
    Glory Member Posts: 241

    Instasaw is likely most of the problem you're experiencing. He's a damn fine killer, for sure. He's basically the standard that other killers should be brought up to, though some addons are not in line with the rest of his kit.


    Personally, I still think that his chainsaw shouldn't be an instadown though (give it mangled, broken, and hemorrhaged instead to keep him dangerous), the movement speed and map coverage is more than enough advantage. It would help differentiate him from poor bubba, who really needs any help we can give him.

  • xllxENIGMAxllx
    xllxENIGMAxllx Member Posts: 923

    Giving status effect is why the game is so unbalanced because they are USELESS. Old legion taught us something healing is useless. Instead you rush gens to get adrenaline.

    PS: you never asked yourself why no one play blocks add-ons on freddy. If you figured then you know why chainsaws shouldn't have status effect instead of instadown.

  • Glory
    Glory Member Posts: 241

    Yes, status effects are useless *checks how often sloppy butcher is used* totally useless

  • Slaughterhouse3
    Slaughterhouse3 Member Posts: 902

    Billy....OP? Where? Oh...bad survivor lol I get it....

  • GrootDude
    GrootDude Member Posts: 14,110

    If I’m being honest, (this thread is old but oh well.) Billy counts on survivors mistakes, curving can work at tight loops but other wide loops this won’t work well if the survivor can dodge.

  • Sleephartha
    Sleephartha Member Posts: 242

    I actually don’t think that anyone posting about how ez Billy is to counter has ever spent significant time playing survivor against high level billies. Youre flat out wrong. And since my original post I’ve discovered that Hexy is also adamant about how OP Billy is for the same reasons. Insane mobility, built in 1 hit, the ability to one hit fairly consistently in short/medium range with practice. AgaIn... I solo and play ps4 which has some bearing on this... but the ability to down, use bbq, down again on other side of map, etc... ridic.

  • GrootDude
    GrootDude Member Posts: 14,110

    I’m on PS4 too and I play both sides at high ranks, he isn’t OP. Idk who “Hexy” is but I’m not gonna base my opinion off of some streamer. I’m going to base it on my experience and he isn’t OP, you need to play more and learn.

  • xllxENIGMAxllx
    xllxENIGMAxllx Member Posts: 923

    Sloppy butcher is only good for slugging nothing else. Why do you think you see many nurse using it with nurse calling. Why vigil is considerated being useless ? why no one play chains on Billy , why huntress players only use exhausted add-ons same for clown.

    The only status effect that are great are hindered/exhausted at 95% of the time. Blindness don't work with SwF , Hemorrage could be great if players would be more sneaky , mangled can work with slug build but is easily countered by adrenaline/autodidact/instaheal/coop healing. Broken effect is also a great effect but it's still not enough look at plague how his power is a joke.

  • Sleephartha
    Sleephartha Member Posts: 242

    And of course nurse isn’t op either... just get better... whatever. I’m done listening to the sheep that echo the “most balance killer” garbage. If every killer is billy level this game dies since survivor will be ZERO fun.

  • xllxENIGMAxllx
    xllxENIGMAxllx Member Posts: 923

    Nurse is OP when mastered her add-ons are a problem but base nurse have a high skill cap. Plus comparing her to billy is comparing old freddy to new freddy.

  • GrootDude
    GrootDude Member Posts: 14,110

    I have fun against billy, spirit and nurse. Nurse is OP with add ons and borderline OP without them but the devs are addressing the nurse issue. You sound like a bad survivor tbh, how long have you been playing?

  • Ember_Hunter
    Ember_Hunter Member Posts: 1,693

    I am scared, why does the first post have so much upvotes? Do people really want such a good killer to be nerfed? I find Billy tenseful, but he is very balanced. Loopable, chainsaws can be dodged, and his power is simple and powerful.

    Like I said in every thread demanding to unnecessarily nerf killers, the game will become boring with weaker killers.

  • Sluzzy
    Sluzzy Member Posts: 3,130

    They already nerfed this when they changed Tinkerer.

  • Ember_Hunter
    Ember_Hunter Member Posts: 1,693

    Hold up, I just realized this was a necroed thread. Yikes.

  • TheCroixPuppeteer
    TheCroixPuppeteer Member Posts: 8

    Git Gud

  • DoomOrb
    DoomOrb Member Posts: 170

    I would have to disagree with Billy being overpowered. While yes, he is very strong in many ways. Great map presence, an instadown and he destroys pallets with his chainsaw. Even if is not to instadown with billy you can always just use the chainsaw to catch up to a survivor and get a regular hit off. Billy is a nice relaxing killer which a high skill ceiling.


    While I am myself a Billy main and I do say this from experience, but Billy still needs to deal with chases, pallet loops and window loops. Sure, certain Billy mains who transended Godhood can cut loops with chainsaws, something I can do myself, and even beyond God Billies can somehow go up haystacks in coldwind farm, something I haven't mastered yet.

    However despite Hillbilly being always a consistently powerful killer. There is one example I would like to bring up when it comes to Billy. He does have a reliance for survivor mistakes. Most of the time I instadown survivors are due to them giving me the opportunity to and I take the open opportunity. Survivors who know how to properly loops a Hillbilly will never get hit by the chainsaw, and I know because I had matches when that happened, and I'm not a bad Billy main either, I'm really good at playing Hillbilly. Which is why I learn when and when not to use his chainsaw. Because sometimes you have an opening to instadown them and sometimes you don't.


    Yes Hillbilly is probably the best killer when it comes down to hatch closing and end game activation. But really it depends on the map. Maps like Lerrys and The Entity forbid, The Game Map are probably Hillbilly's kryptonite. It limits his chainsaw. While Billys can still win in such maps, I'm sure I speak for all Billy mains that those two maps are the biggest pain to deal with.

    Believe it or not, Hillbilly is actually one of the most balanced killers. He shines bright when he can punish survivor mistakes, but survivors with an equal amount of experience can make it really hard for Hillbilly players. Unlike Nurse and Spirit who really only loose by their mistakes, Billy looses if the survivors aren't super optimal. My favorite Twitch Streamer Tru3 proves this in a way on one of his games. While he doesn't deny Billy is strong. He's not Nurse or Spirit level where if you master them, you win every game.

    Billy is close to that, but Billy really only wins by outplaying and capitalizing on mistakes. That's what he does best, and I know I'm darn good at punishing survivors for making mistakes like going out in the open, or going to a loop I can cut threw my chainsaw turn.


    I can give more examples, but I think this will do. If you disagree that's perfectly fine. You're entitled to your opinion. I respect yours, and do hope you see things differently.


    With Love, DoomOrb

  • DoomOrb
    DoomOrb Member Posts: 170

    Well look who it is. Hey man. You might not remember me, but I remember you. Could we talk in private?

  • Awakey
    Awakey Member Posts: 3,145

    A. Learn to loop

    B. Learn to vault windows (a groundbreaking concept, I know).

    C. Learn how to juke his saw. Force an m1 hit.

    D. Apply gen pressure to prevent a snowball. Don't be so altruistic.

  • TKTK
    TKTK Member Posts: 943

    It seems since the nurse change is confirmed now people will move on to other killers they don't like to play against. Every killer but spirit and nurse rely on survivor mistakes if you are a good red ranked survivor that knows how to run jungle gyms, the god loops in Macmillan Estates, and cow loops there is 0 chance the killer should be able to hit you that goes for Billy, just cause he's the best m1 killer doesn't mean he's op.

  • AloisaTrancy
    AloisaTrancy Member Posts: 1

    I just want you to know... your ignorance has become a meme.

    Twitch.tv/ScottJund

    Enjoy your fame. 😘

  • thekiller490490
    thekiller490490 Member Posts: 1,164

    It really demeaning to your argument when the first thing you say is that those opposing your argument are all wrong. So keep feeling like your opinion is fact.

  • DocFabron
    DocFabron Member Posts: 2,410

    ...... just...... LOOP!

  • SoylentPixie
    SoylentPixie Member Posts: 1,192

    "What i say is FACT and anyone who disagrees with me even with proven in game experience is WRONG!"

    I'd laugh if i didn't just face palm so hard i think the front of my head might have ended up in Australia.

  • Jago
    Jago Member Posts: 1,742

    Lol.


    Here we are.


    I love this comunity /sarcasm


    @dev @whoevertakeR20opinionasarealbalanceissue

  • humanbeing1704
    humanbeing1704 Member Posts: 8,999

    billy isn't op lmao just the most annoying to play against in my opinion

  • indieeden7
    indieeden7 Member Posts: 3,400

    Is everyone just going to ignore the fact that someone said that MoM is more frequently used than old DS?

  • xChrisx
    xChrisx Member Posts: 917

    Every killer should be balanced around trapper and wraith.

    Nurse Spirit Billy all of them deserve a Nerf. Thanks God they are starting with the nurse, i Hope in a near future to see the other 2 getting nerfed too

  • Marcus
    Marcus Member Posts: 2,047

    Clown willl never get free 4ks no matter what he is using. No perk or add-on can save Clown against competent survivors. And Billy without add-ons is as loopable as any 115% speed killer, so "git gud".

  • DocOctober
    DocOctober Member Posts: 2,230

    Why should every Killer be balanced around a low-mid tier Killer (Trapper)?

  • Dr_Trauts
    Dr_Trauts Member Posts: 704

    he isnt OP.

  • prayer_survivor
    prayer_survivor Member Posts: 626

    @Marcus. Yes, because is almost impossible you find killers playing with addons.

  • Marcus
    Marcus Member Posts: 2,047

    You can beat even killers with their best add-ons, your point being ?

  • Marcus
    Marcus Member Posts: 2,047

    You don't make any sense here. "But the ability to down", any killer can down survivors, "use bbq", any killer can use BBQ and "down again on other side of map", any killer can down another survivor on the other side of the map.

    And if quote Hexy, I can also quote Zubatlel, Scott Jund, OhTofu and Tru3, all streamers who says that Billy is overrated and relies on survivors mistakes. And 2 of them ( Zubatlel and OhTofu ) are or were Billy mains, unlike Hexy, who almost never plays Billy. Hexy also says other weird things like Cannibal being better than Pig ( LOL ) and new Freddy being better than Spirit ( big LOL ), so I wouldn't trust him so much.