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Nurse isn’t what is broken, her add-ons are.

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  • GrootDude
    GrootDude Member Posts: 14,110

    @Boosted_Dwight you should be scared :D

  • GrootDude
    GrootDude Member Posts: 14,110

    3 minutes? You’re the only person I’ve seen say that. The issue may be YOU.

    Learn how to break LOS, helps a lot.

  • makayla
    makayla Member Posts: 287

    A killer who ignores virtually every core mechanic of the game shouldn't exist.

  • SlinkyJinky
    SlinkyJinky Member Posts: 371

    So when's this Killer's cheese getting nerfed again or am I going to keep having to show Nurse Killers absolute zero respect by homing in on them the instant the match starts deliberately getting myself hooked denying them any significant xp pharm because /easy-mode hand-held babied crutchlords don't deserve handouts?

  • makayla
    makayla Member Posts: 287

    Alright.

    So I'm doing a generator, teammate goes down in five seconds against a decent Nurse because she ignores every obstacle. Hide in a locker because I assume she has BBQ. She finds someone else with BBQ, they also go down in five seconds because it's a Nurse. I go run and save my teammate on hook, then she either blinks to the 4th teammate on a generator or she blinks to me/hooked guy. Either way, it's game over because all we're doing is ping-ponging between saving hooked people. Her ability to ignore every obstacle in her way: pallets, windows, even WALLS, makes it where she can easily down someone in less than ten seconds of chas and just hop from survivor to survivor. On top of that, she has the second best map pressure in the game, with Billy being #1 in that spot (in my opinion) so you have very little time to do gens because you're too busy evading her BBQ and saving your teammates. Do you HAVE to save your teammates? No, but if you just hide in a locker and do gens the whole game, everyone except you will die, you may or may not get the hatch, and you'll get basically no points and have the most boring game of your life, and I don't think anyone enjoys that.

    Now, I know that Billy also has the ability to down people pretty damn quickly. Every killer does, technically, but they don't ignore pallets, windows, and walls like Nurse. With Nurse, all you can do is pray to god she's stupid and doesn't know how to deal with survivors double-backing her. You can't "just juke" a Nurse, because nine times out of ten she's seen other people do the same thing a million times and will down you anyway and there is not a damn thing you can do about it because everything you have to use in a chase she ignores completely. Pallets? You can throw it down and maybe stop her for a second, but she doesn't even have to break the damn thing. She just blinks through it. And if you try vaulting into her, she'll blink facing the ground so you vault right into her loving arms. Windows? You can fake vaulting to psyche her out maybe once, but if she isn't braindead she's going to expect it and then...shock, horror, you get downed/hit. Walls? Not safe, she can just blink through it, and you can double back maybe once unless she expects it (which shock, horror: most nurses expect it.)

    Your best bet against her is being unpredictable and stealthy, but even that barely works against a Nurse who has any idea what she's doing.


    I'm sorry this is super long and if it's jumbled or confusing or if I'm coming across as sarcastic or hostile. I am just trying to explain my honest POV on Nurse.

  • GrootDude
    GrootDude Member Posts: 14,110

    @makayla I can juke nurse, your teammates are probably not very good if the situation you describe.

    @SlinkyJinky I don’t think you understand what you’re talking about, nurse takes a lot of skill (without extra blinks) maybe if instead of suiciding you should learn counterplay.

  • xXNurseXx
    xXNurseXx Member Posts: 261

    Let me tell you one thing, Nurse is OP even without any addons.

    People who are trying to say .. "shes hard to play so she deserves to be OP" are totally wrong. Best example -> Genji was also really hard to play in Overwatch. And im not talking about Nurse difficult. To learn Genji to play an awesome Genji took 1000 hours not just ~100 hours like learning Nurse. He was way too OP and Blizzard nerfed him regardless of how "difficult" to play he is. Because if you played him you could crush your whole enemy team.

    Same with Nurse

    But its healthy for myself to have atleast 1 killer with which i can expect a 4k every game no matter what the survivors are bringing in and i just want to get the easy 4ks when im coming home after a hard day so i think its fine

  • Boosted_Dwight
    Boosted_Dwight Member Posts: 3,059

    Have you ever touched the killer side of the game? Obviously not if you think nurse is a easy mode for killer.

  • Chocolate_Cosmos
    Chocolate_Cosmos Member Posts: 5,735
    edited May 2019

    Yep. Base Nurse is fine and skilled.

    Using more blinks / range add-ons are that ones I have problem with. It makes playing her way more easy and less punishing. I hate that feel when she got me on her additional blinks.

    Also is funny how cheap more blinks add-ons are. They should be way more rare to even give you +1 blink.

  • CallMeSpidey
    CallMeSpidey Member Posts: 625

    Easiest killer?

    I want a live stream with you using her and I want you to do well as you progress to higher ranks.

  • gantes
    gantes Member Posts: 1,611

    Have you guys seen a God Nurse play yet?

    She can get downs in 10 seconds. No other killer can do that.

    There is counterplay for her, to an extent. However, games should ALWAYS be balanced around the highest level, and she's not balanced in the highest level. Even with no add-ons.

    A Nurse playing to her maximum potential and not messing up is nigh unbeatable. If you don't think so, you haven't seen true top tier Nurses playing.

  • Skycerer
    Skycerer Member Posts: 183
    edited May 2019

    Nurse is fine.

    The SWF's with voice software is fine. (And MoM, Adrenaline, DH, Boring Time after the big buff...)

    Both sides have a broken mechanics.

    Can you... maybe... just git gud?

  • GrootDude
    GrootDude Member Posts: 14,110

    To those saying you still get easy 4 kills without add-ons, the problem is that your survivors rely on loops instead of jukes. You have to adapt a new play style but certain add-ons make that near impossible.

  • GrootDude
    GrootDude Member Posts: 14,110

    The “git gud” argument I see. Yes nurse is fine but her add-ons aren’t.

  • GrootDude
    GrootDude Member Posts: 14,110

    @Heroiq you’d be proving my point that her add-ons are the problem.

  • Poweas
    Poweas Member Posts: 5,873

    @noneofyourbusiness Instaheals can be countered by Franklins. ;) or instadown killers.

  • Poweas
    Poweas Member Posts: 5,873

    @Heroiq there ya go! See? Instaheals are counterable. Still need to be removed.

  • Poweas
    Poweas Member Posts: 5,873

    @gantes incorrect, Spirit is better than Nurse at chasing (for me it's hit, phase, hit and find next one with BBQ and I'm just a decent Spirit, not even god tier) and Hag is basically the same, slightly more consistent because she's got traps but on average, they're about the same.

  • GrootDude
    GrootDude Member Posts: 14,110

    @Heroiq R u on PS4 or Xbox? I don’t have disc but you can add me on PS4 (TreemanXD) and XBOX1 (MonkinTree).

  • gantes
    gantes Member Posts: 1,611
    edited May 2019

    LOL

    Sure, if you can't hit your blinks as Nurse Spirit is better

    I'm talking about God Nurses, not an average to good player playing Nurse.

  • GrootDude
    GrootDude Member Posts: 14,110

    @gantes have you encountered survivors that can juke? You can still juke a god nurse who isn’t using the add-ons I talked about.

  • NMCKE
    NMCKE Member Posts: 8,243

    @TreemanXD

    I have to agree, Nurse is great without add-ons, but with them... Oh boy, we're talking a 4k with 5 generators.


    The only problem I have with her add-ons are:

    • Extra Blinks
    • Increased Blink Range (I'm looking at specifically omegablink)

    Her fagutie, accuracy, charge speed, and blink speed add-ons are good where they are imho.

  • GrootDude
    GrootDude Member Posts: 14,110

    @NMCKE she is great without add-ons, glad we agree about add-ons. :)

    My point is she can be juked at base but with range or extra blinks that opportunity is pretty much removed.

  • NMCKE
    NMCKE Member Posts: 8,243

    @TreemanXD

    I been a Nurse main for a while, she's very strong with specific add-ons. Nurse is about mind games and predicting the survivor's movements. Extra blinks gives the Nurse more chances to correct herself from incorrect predictions, this is similar to pre-nerf Legion where he can miss multiple stabs yet still inevitably get you (we all know how fun it is to still get punished for outplaying your opponent). Range increases Nurse's lethality range while drastically increasing her ability to apply pressure, this is two for the price of one add-on.

  • GrootDude
    GrootDude Member Posts: 14,110
    edited May 2019

    @Nickenzie @NMCKE

    I’ve mained her off and on, on PS4 it was very frustrating but I learned. Yeah, nothing more annoying than outplaying your opponent them getting that extra attempt.

  • CallMeSpidey
    CallMeSpidey Member Posts: 625

    I said Livestream.

    Don't pick and choose matches.

    I can livestream it, so can you.

  • GrootDude
    GrootDude Member Posts: 14,110

    @CallMeSpidey not necessarily, his internet may not be able to handle it.

  • Poweas
    Poweas Member Posts: 5,873

    @gantes LOL if you are even relevant as Spirit, she chases far better than Nurse. It's a fact. If you can't see that, then you need to seriously improve. Spirit can manage 7 seconds chases. I saw it all the time as survivor and do it sometimes as killer. And she's unjukable. Obviously this is from when she wasn't bugged, since this data was collected like 5-9 months ago. #

    Once she's not bugged again, I will show you the evidence.

  • Poweas
    Poweas Member Posts: 5,873

    @gantes Nurse is jukable, but Spirit is not.

    So I'll send the 'LOL' back.

  • gantes
    gantes Member Posts: 1,611
    edited May 2019

    Nurse has her ability all the time.

    Nurse doesn't give a ######### about structures of any kind.

    If you think you can't juke the Spirit you're just a bad survivor.

    If you talk to any really good killer in the game they'll tell you the same thing. Your opinion means jack.

    Nothing compares to the Nurse's map pressure and the ability to override any defenses survivors might have in chases. The only thing keeping the Nurse from being nigh unbeatable is the player. The Spirit is the second best killer in the game, but it's not even a close gap.

  • GrootDude
    GrootDude Member Posts: 14,110

    @gantes have you considered that the survivors that can’t juke a nurse might be bad? It is much easier to juke a good nurse compared to good Spirit players.

    Btw Poweas is a spirit and hag main last I checked.

  • CallMeSpidey
    CallMeSpidey Member Posts: 625

    In terms of Map Pressure....

    Nurse and Spirit are the same, at base.

    Spirit has very powerful addons.

    So does Nurse. Again, map pressure only.

  • gantes
    gantes Member Posts: 1,611

    When you guys can find notably good players saying that Spirit is better than Nurse and maybe some footage on top, be my guests.

    I've seen plenty of God Nurses mopping the floor with 4-man swfs at rank 1, and that's enough for me.

  • GrootDude
    GrootDude Member Posts: 14,110

    @gantes saying that poweas is a spirit and hag main isn’t comparing nurse to hag.

  • GrootDude
    GrootDude Member Posts: 14,110

    Harder to juke doesn’t mean she is better, you’re jumping to conclusions too quickly.

  • gantes
    gantes Member Posts: 1,611

    That's what other people are trying to argue here. I wasn't the one who brought this up.

  • Haku
    Haku Member Posts: 614

    You should try to get their attention you never know. They do take the ideas of random people like the MoM change that they proposed - it is not their original idea. I've seen it mentioned on the forums by another person and a dev saw it so ... Then ofc it is 50/50 if we/the players/ gonna like your idea but yea it is the Nurse so it can't get worse I guess

  • GrootDude
    GrootDude Member Posts: 14,110

    @Heroiq like I said, her add-ons are a problem.

  • KaoMinerva
    KaoMinerva Member Posts: 451

    Nurse is fine and so are her add on. Accept the fact a good nurse will more than likely kill you. Stats show she's "less" deadly than hag with the kill rate. 🤷

  • GrootDude
    GrootDude Member Posts: 14,110

    I’m fairly certain you didn’t read the full post.

  • KaoMinerva
    KaoMinerva Member Posts: 451

    I read it. Still, nothing is wrong with Nurse or her add on. Just accept a good Nurse will probably destroy you like a good SWF can even destroy nurse. It's been proven.

  • GrootDude
    GrootDude Member Posts: 14,110

    Listen sweetie, in this thread I’ve discussed nurse at base is fine and said that I’m a console nurse main. Her add-ons (extra blink and range) aren’t fine if you think about both sides.

    I can accept it when I die to any killer, I can also accept losing as killer.

  • xXNurseXx
    xXNurseXx Member Posts: 261

    @gantes why are you even bothering to still discuss with @treemanXD?

    its so obvious hes trolling i mean lets be for real ..

    "It is much easier to juke a good nurse compared to good Spirit players." LOL

    everyone knows that nurse is OP besides devs and some guys pretending shes not because theyre a) console players b) dont want to get her nerfed

    Devs also didnt know old flashlights were OP. Mccote had to get bullied by them (chinese livestream) until they realized okay .. thats actually ridiculous. I think Devs had too play against a god nurse and see how they cant do anything and they would nerf nurse in 1 week just like old purple flashlights.

    but it is how it is, deal with it nobody gonna touch my lovely sally and its fun to completely dominant the game <3 i love it and i absolutely love the game.

    for real - keep the good work up bhvr and first buff freddy .. and than other killers and maybe in like 2 years we can look at nurse =)

  • GrootDude
    GrootDude Member Posts: 14,110