Killer ability movement speed needs an update

I'm not sure what your conclusion is. What do you want to see updated and what do want to say with all these fancy numbers?

Ahh I see. I don't think so Pig and Legion aren't intended to beat the Spirit in that sort of play style. Pig is about sneaking up and forcing survivors to abandon a loop or get a hit on it. Legion is about putting damage on as many targets as possible his don+'t mean his ability is meant to give you all these hits sometimes you'rte just supposed to traverse the distance,

Spirit is supposed to be superior in catching up and downing survivors.

Of course they need to rework most killers if they ever want make this game balanced, but increasing numbers wouldn't help with that or would make killers to identical to each other

@ShyN3ko Isn't SB just anti sneak attack perk at this point?

The Pig is stealthy, her dash attack has the surprise factor that makes it more effective than it seems.

Legion's speed is mostly for map presence, gives away the position of survivors and allow to vault stuff.

The Spirit's ability is mostly about mindgames during chases.

Those are all different abilities, it's like comparing apples to oranges.

@ShyN3ko So Head On is also for chases?

SB *was* for chases when the exhaustion recovered while running (so you could get multiple in one run prolonging the chase more). As of today i rarely see SB and if i do they just use it to either bait the first hit or to counter my sneak behind them.

How do you wait out SB as pig? just go back to crouchwalking really slowly with your camera dragging along the ground?

I noticed the wraith is missing from the comparisons with his decloak lunge attack. Funny enough, I find that the easiest to hit a SB person or to bait the SB with of the 4. Just give em a bing but not a bong and then go after em :D

There literally is no right time to use her ambush attack right now is the real problem. The only time any gap would actually be closed is if there is not a single window or pallet nearby, and if they have spine chill or premonition they likely got even MORE of a head start than the roar gave them.

The other applications are things like pallet loops to try to mindgame the survivor, but a lot of them just move on to another nearby loop or jungle gym or anything, and you can't see them do it so you're mindgaming yourself most of the time. I just crouch and uncrouch immediately more often than actually use it for that anymore.

If its intended for SB to beat ambush abilities, ambush abilities need to be made better in other scenarios than just trying to catch survivors asleep on gens. The wraith is not a great killer, but the way his cloak movement speed and uncloak dash lunge work makes the pig's ambush seem downright defective by comparison.

This is why instead of giving it speed you should add more skill potential to it. The roar needs to be at the end of the charge. It gives way too much of a heads up that you are using it to be viable. The counter play is them actually being observant of their surroundings or if they're at a pallet watching you crouch. This isn't even going into the perks that counter it even with this buff. It needs to be more viable. Her crouch viewpoint is also too low.

It's fine I figured it wasn't your first language.

As you were saying, Spirit just fulfills all those roles better, rather than each killer being better in a certain scenario which is what it should be and what your post was illustrating.

I second this. Pigs antiloop ambush worked because no one knew about it. Its fully countered when you run away.

I tested how much distance you gain when you leave the loop as soon as the pig crouches and its ~20m. This is the minimum distance even if you crouch and uncrouch immediately while walking towards the fleeing survivor.

Her antiloop is decent as is, it works when survivors stay. The problem is the long uncrouch time, so you cant effectively fake the ambush and force survivors to run away. They will usually actually reach the the next pallet.

A shorter uncrouch time would benefit her mindgame part greatly at higher ranks.

I too would like it if they'd get a little more experimental in their PTB's just to see how well some new ideas work. Especially when they're such fast and easy number tweaks as you mentioned.

In all honesty SB is the only exhaustion perk which getting a way is easier to use against the pig, with Legion you can wait it out before using your power and get closer, part of their problem wwas the free hit if you change them like this you remove some counter play, you also make all the other exhuastion perks a bit less viable and you will catch up on normal running surviors way to easily with this change.

It means you may miss the first hit if they run SB agaisnt the pig but the pig has more issues than the ambush as they can be seen from accross the map with such a huge head, I would prefer her to be more concealed so they dont know they are coming and even if using SB they wont know what direction to run in so it creates more mind games rather than hand them a hit due to making them faster.

omg someone else understands the roar kill any surprise, as it happens before the dash even starts