Penalties For Killers Who Camp Hooks

?? You think a killer downs a survivor in 14 seconds? When he is afk, maybe ...

@ACESMONEY Then there is another idea: a hooked survivor gets bp overtime when the killer is nearby.

@ReikoMori

Mess with the game's currency output in an unhealthy way? Why? Because survivors that got camped and doesen't receive anything will start getting something, especially when you make it a balanced bp/minute gain?

The thing with switching off to get themselfes camped... maybe it will be abused, but if a total amount of bp for getting camped during the whole stage would be, lets say, 3k?

It wont really hurt economic but it will also reward camped survivors for a job well done... because lets face it, camped survivors are giving valuable time to the others, when they don't suicide, while not gaining anything for themselfes.

Im sorry, but read the full topic, ive never been with people that want to punish the killer, i just want to reduce saltiness against the killer by giving some bp to the camped survivor.

Also read my comment that i have just posted: "It wont really hurt economic but it will also reward camped survivors for a job well done... because lets face it, camped survivors are giving valuable time to the others, when they don't suicide, while not gaining anything for themselfes."

Also, its funny that im accused both for standing against camping and standing with camping.

@ReikoMori

Who said that my solution is to get rid off camping? And yes, im accepting the fact that there are campers in this game but do you know why? Its pretty simple, there is just no way of stopping this from happening, so my idea is to just reduce the bp losses for the camped survivor.

Once again very easy to abuse simply start looping tge killer around the hook so the killer either has to abandon The Chase or the survivors get a free boost even though The Killers not technically camping

Camping sucks and should be saved for huge exp gaps. Like if you got 1 perk and they have 4, an item with 2 add ons and a offer I dont blame you for making sure you get 1. However if youre a decent killer camping is just trolling. I can get all 4 kill running the map and rehooking people. Idk if its a me thing but the chase the hunt is the fun. Not standing their slashing a hung kid. As a survivor I hate campers even tho it rarely happens to me. Why? Because I dont want a free pass to escape because you want one kill like you wont get it the next match. If I dont get chased and hunted I wasted the game time. I wanna be scared, I wanna be hunted, and I dont troll the killer by looping so all I ask is he doesnt ruin the game for everyone by standing still and being boring.

Yes, camping is annoying. Yes, the match might be more fun if the killer doesn't camp. But if a killer is camping, survivors should be gen rushing to counter. If you're coordinated with your team and skillful enough, you can unhook the survivor while distracting the killer and possibly get away safely.

I can get 25k a match as wraith and let everyone live but some people are kill hungry and do w.e it takes to kill a player. Its like yea I get it but I forsure wont be giving you props for standing around while you lose the match.

@Cejar13321 Dead by daylight is absolutely a competitive game.

It may not be an esport or whatever. But it is still competitive. ANY game where at least 2 players have mutually exclusive win conditions is competitive. That includes Mario Party, that includes SSBM and it absolutely includes Dead by daylight.

Emblem penalties are worthless, because rank is not something that is universally valued. It can't be a BP penalty either, because those also aren't universally valued. Some killers see the kill as the only goal, and they don't care about their postgame rewards. It's not a penalty if it is something a player doesn't care about in the first place.

Face camping -- camping very close to the hook, with no other survivors present -- should have a material impact on the current game's immediate circumstances. Give all survivors a substantial bonus to repair speed, or start auto-progressing all generators on the map for every second that the killer does this, or something. It will disincentivize camping greatly.

Also, make Kindred's vision of hook-camping killers a standard part of every survivor's toolkit already. I feel like it's profoundly illogical that this has not been implemented yet.

I agree something needs to be done about it to make the game fun.

The problem with the "just gen rush" argument is that when someone is being camped there's no way for other players to know unless they have kindred. What happens when I play solo is someone gets hooked, sometimes that's me or another player, and no one has kindred equipped. One or more players go in for the save because we know it sucks sitting on the hook not being able to play the game. The person is being camped and the players who aren't aware of this end up walking right into the killers line of sight and then get chased and put into the dying state right away. This leaves several opportunities for the killer player to exploit. They can leave the newly downed player in the dying state and go after any other players who are near the scene of the crime, possibly putting another player into the dying state relatively easily, or they can hook one of the newly downed players. Meanwhile someone will go for a save on the original hooked survivor and get them off just as the second person is put on the hook. The killer player then easily makes it back to the original scene of the crime and downs the survivors who are only just now escaping the area of the original scene that started the whole mess. This just creates a back and forth of people getting downed, hooked, saved, downed, hooked, saved ad nauseum. Eventually players die or disconnect.

Everyone could just rush to finish fixing generators instead but without kindred there's no way to know if you're leaving some poor teammate to linger on a hook and die. Sometimes if the person isn't being camped and we all assume they are the player sees that no one is coming to save them because they can see everyone's auras and realizes they can just DC or die right away and then when they do everyone else realizes they probably weren't being camped and now we're down to a 3 person team.

The problem with trying to make an anti-camp build for a survivor character is that you're basically just never going to use any other perks other than the ones that can mitigate the camping scenario and also takes the fun out of the game. As it stands I've found there's no point in using any perks other than Spine chill, Self care, Urban Evasion, and either Decisive Strike or an exhaustion perk since that's the only combo that works in all situations. The other perks are fun but essentially useless since you rarely get any opportunities to use them since most of them are effective only against specific killer opponents or their benefit is easily negligible in instances where the killer player is being a d****o (camping, lag switching, tunneling etc). The only time I really use any other perks anymore is if I'm in a SWF group, otherwise as solo they're useless.

I like what they've done with the sabotage perk since it's actually worth having now. It's nice since it discourages camping. After a save just break the hook the other survivor was on and at least buy them a little time before the killer comes back from proxy camping and downs them again.

The whole hook mechanic is pretty lame. I'd say just get rid of the hook altogether and then there's no more camping at all. Make it so once a person is put in the dying state they just die. Then we can just move on to a new match. It's probably easier to balance the game without the hook anyway.

I just had a match where 3 of the 4 survivors had kindred against a wraith that had the insidious perk. They were just standing in cloak mode next to the hooked player and going completely stealth. We all caught on after one or 2 hook saves and then just gen rushed and the killer disconnected the match on us.

The hook is just a dumb game mechanic.

I understand sometimes the killer player can't help it. I've had dumb teammates in solo mode who just ran to get people rescued before the killer player even left the scene of the hook repeatedly or where they just plain suck at remaining hidden near the hooked player. Those instances are not the majority of camping in my experience.

Some of the most fun matches I've played ended with all the survivors dying. They were still fun because the match lasted like 25 minutes or what seemed like longer and that's because no one got camped or even proxy camped or tunneled and it was fun as hell.

And this brings me to the Doctor. Where do I begin? I'll save it for another rant.

Anyway TLDR My solution is just get rid of the hook altogether. It's dumb.

Love it or hate it, my idea have it so if the killer camps on a first hooked survivor once a survivor hits the struggle stage the entity becomes disatisfied and releases the survivor or you could call it "Tainted meat" The survivor gains an endurance buff or unhookable for a 5-10 second period. Depending on the killers distance, The endurance means a killer can't just smack you back down, being attacked will put you in deep wound state and once the endurance wears off if the player hasn't healed up they go back to dying state. Or instead of the endurance buff the hook breaks for the normal sabotage duration. The killer has to move to another hook giving the survivor more wiggle time. At least then everyone gets a second chance. I can see why some folks complain if you've been waiting in the lobby for a long time and your camped to death within minutes it can feel unrewarding. A killer can be in a game pretty fast. If you're a survivor in a group you can be waiting up to 10 minutes maybe even more for 2 to 3 minutes play with a camping killer, let us play too.

Honestly from a killer perspective, I don't really agree with this. Honestly the only reason I camp,is when there is 1 gen left and there spread out, or the gates can be opened. Otherwise, no. Sorry, just no.