TL;DR Hatch changes are fine, currently the hatch is a free win for the survivor. Some power back to the killer would be nice and your chances of surviving when being the last survivor should be minimal and not guaranteed.

The hatch is already a free escape for the survivor if he finds it first. If the killer finds it first he should win, if the killer finds it, but the survivor finds it too, the killer should win, but this isn't the case right now. The Hatch is a 100% free win for the survivor as long as they aren't dumb.
Survivors already made several mistakes to get into that situation. The hatch changes are completely fine and bring some power back to killers. It removes hatch standoffs and balances it out to not be a free escape every time.
If the killer got 3 kills before 5 gens got done then the survivors weren't playing good, so what makes the 4th person entitled to get a free escape? Because he got a bad team? You forgot that to escape you need to work as a team also there is already a perk called Left Behind that boosts your gen repair time a lot.

@GolgiNea said:

@MeowLux said:
TL;DR Hatch changes are fine, currently the hatch is a free win for the survivor. Some power back to the killer would be nice and your chances of surviving when being the last survivor should be minimal and not guaranteed.

The hatch is already a free escape for the survivor if he finds it first. If the killer finds it first he should win, if the killer finds it, but the survivor finds it too, the killer should win, but this isn't the case right now. The Hatch is a 100% free win for the survivor as long as they aren't dumb.
Survivors already made several mistakes to get into that situation. The hatch changes are completely fine and bring some power back to killers.

The killer has a massive advantage at finding the hatch first. They dont have to sneak around to find it.

The killer is supposed to have an advantage immediatly. If you end up in that situation as I said. Your survival chances should be MINIMAL. You aren't supposed to escape every match. The killer should be the power role, but the survivors completely decide the flow of the game. The hatch changes are fine, it isn't a free escape anymore and needs you to actually play skillfully to escape in a 1v1 situation.

I understand the necessity for a change in how the hatch works. However I disagree with the changes currently in testing. On the one hand in its current state it makes escaping as the last survivor frustratingly easy when you consider the killers perspective. So, this game being asymmetric, I understand how it seems unfair to the killer. Some of OP's suggestions are valid I'd say, especially when you consider there are other ways that survivors are being disadvantaged. Pallet loops are also getting nerfed, as well as a reduced number of pallets all together (Which was implemented a few months ago). I know that by the nature of the game survivors are supposed to be at a disadvantage, but all of these things ontop of this hatch change, it seems like too much of a disadvantage.

If face camping is considered a viable and legitimate strategy, then they must not feel the same about looping considering the change they are making to it. Also consider the doctor, that killer and many perks that dont involve the doctor make stealth nearly impossible. Its no wonder survivors are upset about the hatch and loop change.

I really hate these changes. If you're going to lock us out of the hatch then at the very least give us the pallet loops and pallets back. The game is leaning much too far in the favor of the killers and it's honestly really disheartening to see. The hatch respawn ay a different location would be much better and I feel if they gave a speed buff to repairing the gen to fix it similar to a green tier toolbox it would feel a bit more balanced. This will certainly make face camping a more viable option which will see a dramatic drop in survivor mains playing.

From the beginning I said that they just need to remove that the killer can grab a survivor to avoid hatch stand offs. If you find the hatch, you have won/escaped, period. All those try hard killers camping the hatch should accept that

@Queen_Shepis said:
From the beginning I said that they just need to remove that the killer can grab a survivor to avoid hatch stand offs. If you find the hatch, you have won/escaped, period. All those try hard killers camping the hatch should accept that

Nobody here is saying anything that extreme, and the devs seem to agree. The idea that you automatically win because your whole team did 2 gens and you sat on your ass is a bit silly.

@Manta said:
I dont like the entire concept of closing the hatch. A survivor needs HOPE to make the game interesting- if not, why not just disconnect?! 
My suggestion instead of closing the hatch:

• Survivors can't be grabbed jumping into the hatch.
• Survivors receive exposed status if within audio range of the hatch.
• Cannot crawl into the hatch within 10 seconds of entering the dying state.

On a side note, I personally think survivors shouldn't be REWARDED for using the hatch- it should be an emergency exit. My suggestions:

• No bonus escape points for using the hatch.
• 25% normal survived points
  *Killer gets a nominal amount of points for "forcing" a hatch escape.
   

This way, it's not a positive option- it's a way of saving your items and scraping a few survival points.

There's probably a million reasons why this wouldn't work, just a suggestion

I like these changes. It keeps the spirit of the game alive: Hide and Seek

@Jack11803 said:
No, no, no. The hatch changes are horrible because of what they will cause. As a doc main, I’m mad they’re changing it. Can’t wait to have a survivor hide and do nothing every match for 40 minutes.

Either kill them completely super easy like reveal aura, or just keep the hatch as a free win, anything in between will cause games to be held hostage amass.

The games are already held hostage. That's why these changes were made. Ever had a standoff at a hatch? Both sides hold the game hostage. A survivor stands at the hatch and the killer waits for them to jump in because the survivor is invulnerable. And unless your The Pig, you can't really leave the hatch without the survivor totally getting into it.

Ahos490 said:

I really hate these changes. If you're going to lock us out of the hatch then at the very least give us the pallet loops and pallets back. The game is leaning much too far in the favor of the killers and it's honestly really disheartening to see. The hatch respawn ay a different location would be much better and I feel if they gave a speed buff to repairing the gen to fix it similar to a green tier toolbox it would feel a bit more balanced. This will certainly make face camping a more viable option which will see a dramatic drop in survivor mains playing.

The game is supposed to favor the Killers. You’re just going to have to get better now that your free escape and pallet vacuums are gone. 

i have no problem with the hatch being able to close but with it spawns open both the killer and survivor should be given a notification of where it is like how the do the gates

The new hatch system is ridiculous & way too balanced in the killer's favor. It's pretty much a guaranteed 4k. & zero hope of survival on the survivor's side even if you have the drive to walk around completing gens bit by bit for the next hour.

Killers are already faster, stronger, and can track you by your footsteps, your breath, by crows, and sometimes just by existing, so how is it fair that they can close the hatch?

@AlexAnarchy said:

@powerbats said:
Personally I don't like it since it rewards campers, especially those with really op perks. If you're going to be able to lock it then have it despawn and respawn someplace completely different. It spawns automatically locked and has a 10 second or so skill check timer to open it. If you fail it or leave it locks it for a longer period of time or despawns again.

As far as those basically saying git gud that's all fine and dandy with svf but with randoms and all the rage quitters on survivor side. The especially bad games where someone gets downed early and simply disconnects. Well now it's 1v3 and the killer has an even bigger advantage and they just need to find and camp 1 survivor and pretty much win from that point.

The survivors are already at a huge disadvantage when it comes to complete randoms against highly geared and experienced killers. Throw in the right maps and some completely new/less experienced players and it's auto 4 sacrifices.

Someone clearly knows nothing at all about what this games original concept and idea was at first...4 randos normally and camping still works 100% as intended from day 1 of the dev diary 3 killers release.

That's actually incorrect and I've followed this game for quite a while. The camping was never intended to be the end all solution to the killers solutions but is merely the end result of current issues. The dev 3 diary may have said camping is ok now but that doesn't change the fact it wasn't what was intended to happen when the game was 1st launched.

If it was they wouldn't be making these qol changes to help the killers with loopers etc, they'd simply leave it as is and let the camping be the only thing the game is about. Get 1 survivor on hook and do nothing but camp 4 randoms or svfr. Instead they're actually trying to make changes to some of the issues plaguing the game.

They'll eventually deal with svf causing most of the issues and increase the chances for killers to have a better chance to not to need to camp.

@AlexAnarchy said:

@powerbats said:

@AlexAnarchy said:

@powerbats said:
Personally I don't like it since it rewards campers, especially those with really op perks. If you're going to be able to lock it then have it despawn and respawn someplace completely different. It spawns automatically locked and has a 10 second or so skill check timer to open it. If you fail it or leave it locks it for a longer period of time or despawns again.

As far as those basically saying git gud that's all fine and dandy with svf but with randoms and all the rage quitters on survivor side. The especially bad games where someone gets downed early and simply disconnects. Well now it's 1v3 and the killer has an even bigger advantage and they just need to find and camp 1 survivor and pretty much win from that point.

The survivors are already at a huge disadvantage when it comes to complete randoms against highly geared and experienced killers. Throw in the right maps and some completely new/less experienced players and it's auto 4 sacrifices.

Someone clearly knows nothing at all about what this games original concept and idea was at first...4 randos normally and camping still works 100% as intended from day 1 of the dev diary 3 killers release.

That's actually incorrect and I've followed this game for quite a while. The camping was never intended to be the end all solution to the killers solutions but is merely the end result of current issues. The dev 3 diary may have said camping is ok now but that doesn't change the fact it wasn't what was intended to happen when the game was 1st launched.

If it was they wouldn't be making these qol changes to help the killers with loopers etc, they'd simply leave it as is and let the camping be the only thing the game is about. Get 1 survivor on hook and do nothing but camp 4 randoms or svfr. Instead they're actually trying to make changes to some of the issues plaguing the game.

They'll eventually deal with svf causing most of the issues and increase the chances for killers to have a better chance to not to need to camp.

Hmm do I need to post the video here then so it can be proven that not only was it intended to make survivors come for alturistic saves only to meet the killer head on, but it was also called baiting?

Yes I do agree, inevitably the devs will get some balls of steel and fix some of the reasons killers feel so forced into camping, then we should see less of it. nods

I'm fully aware of the video from another post you linked it in whereas I wasn't before so no need. That still doesn't change what the original way the game was intended. The flaws that got exposed after the game was out long enough made it mandatory to camp which is why that 3rd video came out explaining why they won't punish camping.

Against a full premade svf I totally understand the need to do it, against 4 complete randoms including those with either no gear or very low stuff it's problematic. This is really true on certain maps with certain killers like Lery's since hook one in middle of map with the Doctor with extended Electrode radius and you make it nearly impossible to get the remaining gen done.

I've had maps where 2 gens are within 10-15 yards of each other and there's a huge 30+ ard range of los for the killer and nothing to hide behind. Those are suicidal to go for especially when you're down to 1 or 2 survivors unless a premade, killer on far side of map, or you've got perks to do 1 of them in under 10 secs.

That said I'm really hopeful they'll continue to make it not so oppressive for killers in the future so that while they have the advantage they're not guaranteed an ace every time either against 4 randoms. For svf groups give the killer a buff against them, say for each member of svf the killers aura reading ability is increased or speed against them etc.

The svf can still do well but won't be able to just faceroll the killer either, that way the games more fun for both sides. Since right now randoms are frustrated and killers are deservedly frustrated.

Snip to not make post to long lol.

Actually that video alone is not the reason they won't punish camping, They did attempt too at one time in a ptb where the killer being close too the hook caused the survivors time on the hook to get longer and longer so survivors started abusing this by forcing the killer to camp and once the devs got a look at this going on massively in the ptb no less, they shut down that idea and swore to never punish killers for camping cuz any form of punishment would be abused by survivors.

Just so your informed.

Yeah I read that in another post you made and I agreed with the reasoning, my hope is that they make it way more profitable for teh killer to not have to. That'd be really nice especially against svf groups where the killer gets certain buffs in relation to the premades, better auras against them etc. But not against say some random since they're not in the group/vc.

You could give them an exposed buff similar to the one Shape uses but only against those svf players and make it last longer than 60 seconds. You could also make progression on the hook quicker etc since if you're a group you want to save your friend. The killer could then go break gens and give them a bigger debuff etc while the rescued person gets a slight debuff for x time till healed.

@NotSure said:
The hatch change is balanced. It makes it so a survivor doesn't have a free win when hatch is open(as the killers only defense would be to let them escape or try to find them quickly) I wouldn't mind generators automatically progressing faster when it's open though

Yeah, now killers have a free 4k, instead.

~balance~

@AlexAnarchy said:

@GolgiNea said:

@AlexAnarchy said:

Please post the link to this extended hook time in ptb.

It's really just common knowledge except for the braindead.

Rude. What's really braindead is stating "facts" without citing evidence. If your statement is true then you should have no problem proving it. If your next response is anything other than proof then I'll consider that an admission of defeat. Show me.

No reason to admit defeat, not my fault your on the forums and purposely forget common known information.

Ca'nt argue with a brick wall though either so even if I posted evidence here , I doubt you'd remember it the next forum your posting on as well like anyone else who is dumb enough to ask for evidence on common sense at this point.

And if you need an easy way to get evidence, post a discussion asking about it, you'll get more replies with common knowledge and heck maybe even some twitch stream links of it.

How convenient. Sounds to me you have no proof. Which is a shame because I would also like to see this apparently "common knowledge". I guess the knowledge is so common that its invisible like water is to a fish. Golgi was clear on the terms of your surrender and it seems you've been beaten by a simple request for information lol.