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Balance Balance, Is DBD a Game Of Blizzard?

zaozaoxx
zaozaoxx Member Posts: 194

In the past, I'm always complainning bout this just like you. You know, Nurse, Billy, Rin

But now, I've already thought it out.

Balance is what just exsist in those hardcore competative games. In another words, a game that been balanced well would last lead to one result --- hardcore players only.

What about OverWatch now? At very first, it is a game that popular spread everywhere on earth.

How about it now?


There's only one thing you can do when facing those OP killers, just choose a hook, waiting them to hook you , end the game round quickly.

Comments

  • zaozaoxx
    zaozaoxx Member Posts: 194

    Only M1 walking killers no camping, occasionally tunnelling.

    As survivor, no second chance perks and even no balanced landing.

    And,keep this for over 2000 hours’ playing.

    Anything wrong? How dare you say that I am complainning?

    A complaining man could do this?like you

    ?

  • ClogWench
    ClogWench Member Posts: 2,582

    Throwing Balance out the window would kill this game. Things may seem frustrating now but if certain balance changes hadn't been made Dead by Daylight wouldn't have survived nearly as long as it has. Any game that grows with new content has to have balance updates

  • zaozaoxx
    zaozaoxx Member Posts: 194

    Balance is not what equals to unreasonable.

    For example, both Nurse and Billy, Rin , they are not balanced compaired to other classical M1 killers. But what is unreasonable is their addons.

    If non-addon, they are not that much unbeatable. However, less people could understand it.

    Theres no need to concentrate on 'balance', what you said is not balance updates, if not, to nerf those OP killers to the level of classical M1 killers or to buff the latter to become new OP ones?

  • ClogWench
    ClogWench Member Posts: 2,582

    Changes like the pallet vacuum, exhaustion nerf and Decisive Strike were all balance changes to prevent one side from having an overwhelming advantage over the other. A lot of killers are unbalanced but that just means they need work done on them. Overall dead by daylight does need more balance fixes. Comparing it to Overwatch accomplishes nothing because that's a very different game in a much different position than DbD is.

  • LordGlint
    LordGlint Member Posts: 8,511

    In all seriousness, this game can never really be balanced, because for some reason, ppl think addons are allowed to be OP as long as they dont pop up in the bloodweb as often. The people you use your OP as hell addons dont care that you handicapt yourself in the last 10 games using brown addons. Thats not balance. That would be similar to being allowed to having 37 football players on one side, because they decided to only use 5 players for the past 5 games. If this seems ridiculous, its because it is.

  • ClogWench
    ClogWench Member Posts: 2,582

    Iridescent add-ons could be more balanced if they were designed to be similar to ones like Hags or Myers', add-ons that fundamentally alter the playstyle of the killer

  • LordGlint
    LordGlint Member Posts: 8,511
    edited June 2019

    @ClogWench Addons that either have an upside for a downside, or addons that JUST have an upside COULD be considered balanced if you look at it as a GIVEN that someone will use 2 addons and by picking THESE 2, they passed up on others. Some stacking addons are by definition never going to be balanced due to each other. Flower babushka is just a strait upgrade over Mana braid, therefore cant be considered balanced with them both existing. On the other end, while Doc's shock range addons have increasing ranges, they also have increasing downsides. These COULD be considered balanced to each other. The whole idea of all this being that RARITY doesnt equal balance.

  • Just_A_Lil_Bit
    Just_A_Lil_Bit Member Posts: 2

    @ClogWench you’re right, some iridescent add-ons are reasonable, like for the hag or myers. Honestly tho, the iridescent head for the huntress’s throwing hatchets gets annoying to go against.

  • Carpemortum
    Carpemortum Member Posts: 4,506

    Yes. A complaining man can do that and still complain.


    However the defensiveness of your response tells me you havent done that.

  • zaozaoxx
    zaozaoxx Member Posts: 194


    Plz, say something, Have I done what I said?

    Am I a only complaining man?

    Then in reverse to see what person you are.

  • GrootDude
    GrootDude Member Posts: 14,110

    You can loop billy and dodge his saw, you have potential to juke spirit and nurse. The only thing that’s makes a killer OP is add ons.

  • prettyf
    prettyf Member Posts: 442


    spirit? yes not the nurse

    you can't juke anyone's spirit but you never juke my nurse

  • zaozaoxx
    zaozaoxx Member Posts: 194

    yep . Spirit is a great designed killer. However, her addons makes her another power abusing killer. also the billy and nurse.

    Nurse with no addon is balanced, however ,her power abusement style couldnt makes people to gain fun.

    however what makes those killers OP is not only just their power makes knock down easy

    but more is their fast moving makes there are no differences for survivors or gens located in anywhere, cauz they can reach there in less than 10 seconds.

  • zaozaoxx
    zaozaoxx Member Posts: 194


    Without distance or speed up addons, Nurse somehow still may facing some situation that have to pre-judge the survivors' action. however, it changes to 1-blink to locate and 2-blink to hit with addons.

  • Warlock_2020
    Warlock_2020 Member Posts: 1,867

    Look, anyone that truly knows game design knows that Billy and Nurse break all the rules. You don't put speed and power together. You put speed, or power together. Billy can cover massive terrain in a few seconds, and one shot someone. Nurse can pass through every barrier a survivor moves behind.

    What I find funny is this, when killers running nurse find a survivor who complains about her being OP, they say "You can juke her. Git Gud!" When they find a survivor that can juke her, they say "Survivors are OP!" WTH is up with that?

    This game has got the loudest, whiniest community I've seen in a while. Most of the crying on this forum is from the killers. Much of the toxicity in game is from the hardcore survivors. WTH?!

    I blame BHVR. They never set any rules of behavior, and they don't enforce the crap ones they have. They don't understand balance, and over compensate when they try. They have zero quality control and refuse to assemble a group of players from both sides to act as advisors. This game is doomed the minute someone puts out a halfway decent horror game. At least BHVR can hang their hat on the fact that they created a concept that is awesome, they just can't run it for crap.

  • fluffymareep
    fluffymareep Member Posts: 634

    You're right. The game doesn't need to be balanced. Let's revert DS and MoM... and pallets, while we're at it. c: Since balance doesn't matter.

  • ReikoMori
    ReikoMori Member Posts: 3,333

    If we ever end up back in the Dark Times where the game was so unbalanced that it couldn't functionally be played by either side then this game will absolutely be dead as a doornail.

  • Captain_Doomsday
    Captain_Doomsday Member Posts: 175

    Although the pressure for balance would definitely reduce if the game wasn't pseudo-competitive with its Rank system. Right now, it feels like the game is utterly paralyzed. Any change too great would throw off the meta and turn the game into another mess.

  • Ember_Hunter
    Ember_Hunter Member Posts: 1,693

    Devs are doing their best to balance the game, but since neither side of survivor and killer can ever be happy truly. Balancing is harder than anyone expects.

  • prettyf
    prettyf Member Posts: 442
    edited July 2019

    after discount and ghostface theres lots of people roadkilled by wm1 currently no matter what their ranks are

    while you keep your standard im sorry but im playing nurse and spirit most

    and i all killed 4swf round and 3toolboxes while posting this

    i agree with your idea but i don't want to play wm1 with theseguys

  • prettyf
    prettyf Member Posts: 442

    and i don't want to accept 2dirtclaudette and bloodyclaudette with 2toolbox and its 3korean this is how i play nurse

  • zaozaoxx
    zaozaoxx Member Posts: 194


    I suppose mess balance and unreasonable the quite different things up is not a good idea.

    Old DS still has counter, I just totally ignored the oblation, and later I will take on the perk from Rin, gen finished and give him a hit then mori him. I though he wont get any fun in my farm. Yes, the DS is something trouble, but thats truly Ok.

    However the MoM not, So I just take a more extremely behavior from my own, If MoM triggered, I hook him and sharpen my weapon on his body till death, since Mom gives him a chance then I wont. Sounds toxic but that is also my way to manufacturly balance the game :3

  • TheGorgon
    TheGorgon Member Posts: 777

    Top500 here, Overwatch has never been balanced, never will be because of them neglecting the balance of the game but adding more heroes, resulting in harder balancing. No wonder they are making another OW suppose to be announced at Blizzcon. No DBD is not close and near the embarrassing show that Blizzard themselves have put them in.