Nurse experiment (400 kills)
Currently Salgu (the most popular Korean streamer) is doing a nurse experiment in order to get the developers to see just how broken a killer she is. The challenge is 400 kills in 100 games.
As of now he is 15 games in. He is using a variety of perks and addons. No moris or map offerings.
He has been facing many really good survivors - survivors who I have played with/against myself (I play in the Asia region).
The results so far? 58 of a possible 60 kills. 1 of those escapes? A hatch escape from a slugged survivor he couldn't find. The other? A game on badham preschool where his ruin was broken almost immediately, the final survivor only narrowly escaped by seconds and he himself said that he played awful that game. The survivors in that game have been in several other games too, proving the escape to be an anomoly, as every other game has been all but domination. The generators have been powered only once.
Is this what it takes to get the developers to see what players who have intimate knowledge of this game already know? That nurse is broken.
Unlike most of the de-pip squad's games against Nurses, this Nurse knows how to play. He is a very well known streamer in the Korean and Asian region, and the survivors in his games are aware of this experiment. They are trying hard to win. With perks and items.
At the end of the experiment it is very likely he will have a 99% kill-rate. So tell me, in what world is this balanced? Despite consistently going against really good survivors using perks and items, their chance of survival is effectively 1% against a really good nurse? (if we ignore the fact that he himself admitted that he made too many mistakes against really good survivors on a map that will soon be updated). Is this balance?
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The game shouldn't be balanced around the top players, this isn't a competitive game.
That said, nurse add ons should be looked at.
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Just use stealthShe needs counter play inside of chase since most everyone like chases the most, from what I’ve seen most players find stealth play boring.
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People will instantly disregard any and all results from this experiment, similar to that of the depip squad.
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Yea i hope she will be looked at after the freddy rework
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Sounds like the depip squad winning 99% of their matches and against nurses too. And against really good nurses too.
Nurse Haters: "Please devs, nerf nurse so we can team up on discord and bully killers. It is so unfair!"
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Did you...watch those games? Most of those Nurses were by no metric 'really good'. Please watch those nurse games and comment again.
These survivors, a mix of swf and solos all with full perks can't survive against Salgu, yet the de-pip squad won most of their games despite being perkless. Why? I'll give you a hint. Killer skill difference.
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That experiment is outdated, this one isn’t.
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Why does it even matter that ruin broke within 20 seconds? Nurse doesnt need ruin and none of the killers should need ruin.... either way his goal is fooked because 2 people have escaped and it's because he played poorly which shows the character is not broken and is based off of the players skill...
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Why do the nurses have to be proclaimed not good? The depip squad steam rolls like 300 killers in the 3 experiments they performed having success rate of something crazy like 97% and all those killers must've bad right? LUL ...... they went against a 5 blink nurse on "the game" and still forced a depip if I remember correctly....
Why does it have to be "oh those nurses were bad" and why cant it actually be "the survivors were actually really good"..... just fit the narrative or??
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In a experiment to prove how op the nurse is, the informed survivors are doing their best?
Excuse my doubts.
Killermains going survivor and dominating random killers proves survivors being stronger more than a "god nurse" squishing random survivors proves nurse being broken.
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The player played poorly, and prooves that you need to play well in team games or your opponents will take advantage. Colour me surprised. Is this a serious comment?
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Again, just watch the games and if you have any knowledge of high rank game play you will see.
I have not watched any of the games with the other killers, but all that proves is that SWF is also super unhealthy for the game.
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If nurse was "broken op" I dont think it would have mattered much if he played badly... he would have gotten the 4k anyways
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Getting really f***ing tired of seeing people complain about Nurse all of a sudden
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Sigh..playing killer is a race against time. Because of the nature of the game (4v1), if you fail at doing your job (playing poorly), the survivors will do their only objective (what some people call Gen rushing). No matter how strong a killer is, if they play poorly their time will run out.
A nurse that plays well does not give enough time to have a chance to escape. The killer has to play poorly AND the survivors play phenomenonaly in order to BARELY have one survivor escape. If you don't consider that "brokenly over powered", especially taking into consideration the other matches in this experiment, I don't know what can be said to break you out of your fantasy bubble.
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No one has ever said nurse takes no skill. What are you even talking about?
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Well, that was partly what depipsquad was treying to prove. Its funny that their games without voice chat also had rather good results if i remember correctly.h They only like a 3 point guideline and it somewhat worked out.
Its nice (for the lack of a better word) to see another experiment. But if base nurse gets nerfed, negatively reworked or legion'd, it'd create a first case the lobbying survivors break down the best killer, entitling them to do the same to the next best killer. And the devs already did some changes to the game while caving in to survivors.
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I found this clip some time ago in a buried thread, and it has helped me understand some stuff about this game.
I didn't watch the whole stream where this came from, so I apologize if what's being said is taken out of context. I doubt it though, I think it's pretty clear.
They're talking about the depip squad.
Now I think they could say the exact same thing about this, or any other experiment trying to prove anything.
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So if it takes skill to be broken OP. It's not broken OP.
You just said It requires skill. So it's in the hands of whoever is playing her if shes good or not.
/thread.
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I play the Nurse on ps4 and any nerfs would make her much less viable.
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They need to do something with survivors cooperating in SWF with 3rd party programmes before nerfing the only killer, who is able to confront such groups without being destroyed.
its is extremely frustrating to play against strong survivors, who get advantages which are not intended by devs.
They should change nurse`s addons, I agree. But they must not touch her basekit or change her power in any way.
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Actually people have said that nurse takes no skill.... and something that is "broken op" does in sense refer to "it takes no skill because it so strong"
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I'm sorry, are we talking about the depip squad that was discarded because no one plays like that?
No one plays like that Nurse. Get good.
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this. so pls end this discussion right here because its nonsense
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I've read a lot of senseless things on this message board, but this one takes the cake.
If you have skill with this killer, you can be broken OP, negating the skill of equally skillfull survivors! Wow.
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This is also BS /\ if you play poorly as nurse theres a chance that you dont land a hit in a match..... heres something for ya..... it's the same response that survivors have for the depip squads experiment.... "not everyone plays that way"..... Not everyone can do what this Asian player does with nurse... not everyone can end a match in 4mins like zubat can with nurse... hell I sure cant, I'm on console though soo....
But heres the funny thing.... with playing survivor that playing style can actually be used by everyone because "gen rushing" is so straight forward and easy to achieve..... where as with nurse it's actually learning a curve and takes a decent amount time to figure out (especially on console) some players actually give up before being able to play her effectively..... but yeah let's nerf nurse before the boring gen sim that is holding M1
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Playing against randoms means nothing as the rank system isn't really based on the speed of objective but a multitude of actions in the game.
For players to reach rank one gen rushing every game simply won't work and why Marths experiment did look like it had an impact. It made the devs look to making a system where you have to do a lot more than just get the gens done or you don't pip.
A good player playing well is more reflective of their skill versus the opponents than this killer/survivors need a nerf.
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Most people agree survivors can end games too quickly. It is possible to believe that both optimal survivors and nurse are in need of nerfs.
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So whats up with these nurse nerf threads? if she gets nerfed it will be survivor vs survivor any decent killer will give up on this game these survivor mains are so adorable
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If the survivors are aware of the experiment what's to stop them from bining a match in an attempt to give false proof that the nurse is OP. I had a match today against a nurse using ebony mori. Right at beginning of the match after hearing the nurses blink 1 of the survivors i was with decided to repeatedly window vault to bait the nurse. He wasn't the 1 survivor that escaped, i was. I used stealth and the nurse never saw me once, came close as she spotted my scratches while running to find the hatch.
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Stealth works against the Nurse. Yes, people say its boring.
But you know what also boring? Yes exactly, mindlessly running in circles is boring too.
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The Nurses you face thank you for making their job easier. If you are wasting any significant amount of the Nurse's time stealthing around the map, that's the Nurse's fault.
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Some but not all, they played like hundreds of games!!! Won an insanely amount I heard, close to 99% I think. How do you know the nurses weren't good? What if the survivors made that nurse appear to be bad? That's what survivors always say..."this nurse sucks". I don't see a problem with nurse because if nurse was a problem, guess what? The depipers would have lost to most of the nurses they faced. Ironically I think they lost to other killers more so than the nurse. Nurse requires an insanely amount of practice to even have a chance at beating survivors like the depip squad. I'm not even sure the best nurse could beat the depip squad. BlinkyBill unfortunately doesn't stream anymore but he was considered a God Nurse and lost to the depip squad. Maybe someone could find the video of him losing to them.
The only thing that has really changed is self care being nerfed that would effect them. This is moot because they didn't even self care because they rushed gens.
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When you are used to going against good Nurses, it is really easy to spot novice ones. There are plenty of Nurses at red ranks because playing that killer affords you so much leeway. Players who wouldn't normally be in red ranks as other killers are in red ranks because of Nurse. I've seen more average Nurses at red ranks than any other killer. You actually have to be much better at other killers than you have to be as nurse to be at high ranks.
So, you admit you haven't actually watched the videos. May I also ask if you have ever played at high ranks? I think I already know the answer based on your answers, though.
But yes, please find that video of this 'God nurse' who lost to perkless survivors.
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This is a dog chasing his tail. You can't nerf one without the other. I don't think the devs want to remove or nerf SWF either, it wouldn't even be a smart business decision! Nerfing the only viable killer against optimal survivors would result in killers dodging SWF even more. Then the thread would become: "Nerf Spirit", then "Nerf Hillbilly".........
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Quitting because a killer I don’t play gets nerfed? Your point loses a lot of validation whenever you label anyone disagreeing with you.
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Learn how to apply pressure and any killer can be viable.
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There is something else I haven't seen pointed out.
Killers going against the Depip Squad could prepare to face them. Several Killers did that in fact and it is because the Killer knows who the Survivors are before the game starts. This is a built in advantage for Killers for cases just like that. If the Killer sees certain names, items, or what not. He can then alter his build to counter them. Still didn't help much though seeing how insanely high their win rates was.
But that doesn't work the other way around. Survivors can't (or shouldn't at least) know who the Killer player is nor what Killer is being played before. This instantly effects how much the data is worth. No Survivor, solo nor SWF, should ever be able to prepare against the Killer and must play "normally".
The differences makes having a fair comparison not really possible. Depip data is skewed more towards high skilled gameplay from having more than the average of tryhard Killers being able to prepare against a known tryhard Survivor team. Slagu data is skewed from having a tryhard Killer going against nothing but average players.
Im not saying this experiment is worthless. Just worth less than others from being more lopsided. Depip data was filled with its own share of lopsided info, but it at least had the ability to show equally skilled gameplay unlike Slagu data.
Plus another thing to note is more or less EVERY "tournament" DbD has had, offical or fan made, has had next to no influence from the Killer. They have always been more about how well Survivors can do against other Survivors. Leaving Killer mostly ignored. Putting bias towards Survivors being in control in any organized form of gameplay leaving Killer gameplay to be a supporter at best..
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And if the devs are too afraid to nerf both nurse and SWF then the game will continue to be a miserable experience for survivors playing against good nurses and m1 killers playing against optimal SWF survivors.
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It is already hot news among the players of the region that this player is doing this challenge. They are prepared.
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Okay just a few things:
1) Just because she does takes skill doesn't mean she's not OP. If you balance you should balance around the highest potential of any character/Killer and her highest potential is gamebreaking and OP. She ignores chase mechanics, if you argue stealth and line of sight just know with the amount of aura perks and her extreme mobility it's borderline impossible to escape even just a decent nurse.
LoS can't be broken against even a decent nurse midchase because you have to hide and getting to a hiding place most times would leave scratch marks or blood stains (especially if she hit you)
So I'm tired of you all regurgitating the same crap. "Stealth" yeah right.
2) Someone in this thread mentioned not to use pallets and vaults, #########?
It's an effective way of getting away in chase especially given the fact she can catch up to you by literally going through walls with little cooldown. So you're suggesting, to survive a nurse, don't get in Chase?
That's almost impossible, instead you all should be wondering why do I need to not use the tools given to me in chase to escape from a killer. When those tools become ineffective, especially against a killer like nurse you can barely hide from it's a damn problem.
So your solution ultimately is not get in a chase to survive, but the point of a chase is to still have a chance to survive it. But apparently not with nurse right, you all need to stop.
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Balancing around "fun" is why survivors are generally OP and there's very few killers that can actually deal with them effectively. Nurse is a necessary evil.
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Don't even try, you'll never get it through their heads. Anything that's broken on the survivor side will quickly be pointed out by them but they're extremely protective of their broken killer.
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Nurse isn’t, any killer can be good if you play right (takes a lot of slugging). Slugging is a necessary evil.
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I've been watching him all morning and I've enjoyed every bit of it. This doesn't prove anything to me. It just shows me what the game should be. Nurse is the only killer not dependent upon survivor mistakes.
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I’m watching and he has definitely proven that she is OP.
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If you're watching, peep the comment I left for you
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@KaoMinerva Luv u man 😂
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You think insta-heals are balanced? I’m a PS4 player.
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Also I’m far from the best.
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