An update to Legion: A buff to Feral Frenzy and a rework to Deep Wound

I think anyone who understands how bad Legion is can acknowledge the fact that, in its current state, Legion's Frenzy cannot do its job, and neither can Deep Wound. Frenzy is pathetic at effectively chaining hits and even more pathetic at effectively applying the Deep Wound status effect. And even if it was, Deep Wound is one of the most underwhelming status effects in the game. You don't even need to deal with it half the time you have it, and the other half is a total cinch—just M1 yourself for 15 seconds and it's like nothing ever happened.

In this thread, I want to discuss my ideas into turning Feral Frenzy into a power that truly delivers, and turning Deep Wound into a status effect that's actually, truly, pressuring and threatening.

So, we'll start off with Frenzy.

-Movement speed increased to 140% (5.6 meters/second)

Reasoning: Current Frenzy catches up to a running Survivor pathetically slowly. At a movement speed of 5 meters per second, you catch up with a running Survivor (4 meters per second) at a rate of only 1 meter per second. Multiply that by 10, the number of seconds in one use of Frenzy, and you only need to be further than 10 meters from the Legion to effectively outpace his Frenzy after he applies Deep Wound to someone else.

No Exhaustion Perks. No using windows or pallets to abuse his pathetically sluggish vaulting. This is literally just running in a straight line.

This is just... no. You can't justify this. That is a shameful excuse of a "feral" "frenzy". Even with his best duration addons, the distance needed to outpace Frenzy goes from 10 meters to 14 meters. That is still smaller than T2 Myers's Terror Radius. It is far too easy to counter his power by just doing normal Survivor things like running forward. It needs to change.

By upping the movement speed to 5.6 meters per second, the closure rate with a running Survivor is increased to 1.6 meters per second. Multiply that by 10, and the distance required to outpace Frenzy is increased to 16 meters—still not much, but already more than what he can do now with his literal best addons.

-Feral Frenzy can be re-used when 1/4 of the power gauge has refilled itself post-Frenzy.

Reasoning: If you drain your entire Frenzy just catching up to a second Survivor, that's it. You're done. For the next 20 seconds, you have no power and cannot effectively set up what measly pressure Deep Wound offers you. By reducing the necessary minimum recharge from 100% to 25%, it makes it so that at the very least, you have to wait 5 seconds for 2.5 seconds of Frenzy. This is, in my opinion, balanced, as it allows you to set up a new Frenzy very quickly and retry for the pressure setup if the Survivor you were catching up to is very close or in an otherwise compromising position.

-Fatigue duration reduced from 4 seconds to 3.3 seconds.

Reasoning: You move at 2.7 meters per second while fatigued. A Survivor runs 1.3 meters faster than you, and can gain a maximum of 5.2 meters on you in one fatigue. This means it takes 8.667 seconds to catch up. 4 seconds of fatigue+8.6667 seconds to catch up=a total of 12.667 seconds the Survivor has to find a loop or get to an otherwise safe area. By reducing the fatigue duration to 3.3 seconds, the Survivor gains only 4.26 meters of distance instead, or 7.15 seconds' worth of catch-up time, for total of 10.45 seconds of total time they need to get to another loop.

That, and a 4-second stun for a power as simple and not-that-good as Feral Frenzy is just not a very epic gamer moment.

-Fatigue tunnel vision drastically reduced.

Reasoning: It physically hurts to go into Frenzy's fatigue without Shadowborn. Please reduce the tunnel vision.

-Window vaulting speed reduced to 0.9 seconds. Pallet vaulting speed reduced to 1.1 seconds.

Reasoning: If a Survivor runs at 4 meters per second, then, using the buffed Feral Frenzy speed I suggested, in the time it takes for Legion to vault a window in Frenzy, the Survivor can travel 4.4 meters, which adds another 2.75 seconds of catch-up time—over a quarter of Legion's Frenzy. When vaulting a pallet, a Survivor can travel 5.4 meters, adding 3.375 seconds to the total catch-up time—almost 40% of Lgion's entire Frenzy.

I get it. Survivors don't have fun when vaulting pallets and windows doesn't drastically hinder the Killer's ability to get them. But if you're going to add mechanics designed specifically to counter windows and pallets, and then make said mechanics so weak that they don't counter windows and pallets—in fact, windows and pallets instead counter them—then what's the point of having those mechanics around? They literally don't do anything.

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Those are the top changes I want to see happen to Feral Frenzy. I want to feel like I'm in a Feral Frenzy, and it certainly doesn't accomplish that effect right now. But there's still half his power we need to address: Deep Wound. The "pressure" tool that, when combined with the total mediocrity that is current Frenzy, ends up being more of a hindrance than a help, where you waste your own time and establish zero presence both in- and out-of-chase. Deep Wound at its fundamental core is just a very underwhelming status effect: "Hold M1 for a lil bit to not die". Very plain, very straightforward, and most importantly, very weak.

I decided to rework it so that it had a more powerful, more lasting, and more interesting presence on the battlefield. I wanted to make it have more stall, and be a greater hindrance than current Deep Wound. Here's what I came up with.

First, changes to Deep Wound's timer.

-The Deep Wound timer now decreases constantly, save for when mending/healing or being mended.

-Hitting a Survivor with Feral Frenzy instantly depletes a fourth of the Deep Wound timer.

Reasoning: Now, I know what you're thinking: This is just old Legion's moonwalk on steroids. That's completely unfair!

Well, luckily for you, my rework removes Deep Wound's ability to down. So lay your qualms to rest. As for what it does? Well, I'll tell you.

Deep Wound's effect just seems kind of silly to me. The Killer, in a rabid frenzy, inflicted you with a cut so brutally deep that it is literally bleeding you out, yet further attacks made during said rabid frenzy do literally nothing to you until you've stopped bleeding out? And how can such a brutal wound be tended to so easily by the Survivor afflicted with it, yet they need an entire medical kit just to be able to rid themselves of much less threatening injuries?

It always bugged me. I want Deep Wound to be more severe and be harder to take care of, yet also make more sense in what a "deep wound" would do. And so, I present to you, my Deep Wound rework.

-Self-mend key changed to the active ability button (Dead Hard/Diversion button for reference) [I will explain this later].

-Deep Wound now comes in three stages. When the timer of one stage hits 0, it will move on to the next stage. Stage 3 has no Deep Wound timer.

Stage 1: Deep Wound

The Survivor has been inflicted with a penetrating cut and is heavily injured.

-Slightly increases bleeding frequency.

-Action speed reduced by 5%.

-Takes 15 seconds to self-mend, and 10 seconds to be mended by someone else.

-If the Survivor does not mend within the 30 seconds that the timer is active, they will move on to stage 2.

Stage 2: Vicious Wound

The Survivor has lost a lot of blood and is beginning to lose strength.

-Bleeding frequency returns to normal.

-Action speed penalty increases to 10%.

-If the Survivor does not self-mend in 30 seconds, they will proceed to stage 3.

Stage 3: Crippling Wound

The injuries on the Survivor's body have become overwhelmingly debilitating.

-The Survivor cannot perform any interactions except for self-mending and using windows, pallets, and items (unless that item is tied to an action restricted by Crippling Wound) [similar to the Doctor's madness III].

-The Survivor's vaulting speed is reduced by 15%.

-The visual obstruction caused by the Deep Wound VFX is slightly increased.

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So, Deep Wound becomes a mounting penalty that will hinder the Survivor's objective-performing capabilities unless they mend themselves. Now, I know what you're thinking: What's stopping them from just taking the 15 seconds to mend and being done with it? And the answer to that is very simple:

-Self-mending no longer removes Deep Wound, but instead resets the timer back to the beginning of stage 1, with a 20-second relief before the timer begins going down again.

Now, this may seem extremely unfun and unfair—some may say you'll have to be mending constantly to fend off that pesky stage 3. But the truth is, you'll have to be mending far from constantly. If you mend just once, you get a 20-second relief period, as well as the total 60 seconds needed to reach stage 3. That's 80 seconds in which stage 3 will not apply to you. If stage 1 and 2 didn't have that action speed penalty, that would literally be enough time to do a generator—and even then, you can still do 74.5 out of the 80 charges of a generator, or just negate the stall entirely with a toolbox, so it's really not that bad.

Another argument some might use is that it's just plain unfun. Why should you be forced to be diverted from your objective? And even when it's not diverting you from your objective, it's slowing it down! And in defense, I will say that first off, a 5% or 10% penalty is hardly that bad. The worst it'll do is just annoy you knowing that it's there making your progress bar red. And as for diverting your objective in stage 3? You have to take a mere 15 seconds to gain an 80-second period of being able to do your objective as you please. Compare that to Pig, who forces you to do the exact opposite of your objective by hanging the threat of death over your head, or Doctor, whose objective-diverting madness 3 is just as bad as Crippling Wound with the added unfun nonsense of making you scream out your position to him, or Plague, who forces you to walk away from your objective to heal yourself and then punishes you with a ranged attack afterwards, or Freddy, who forces you to fail skill checks to avoid his cumbersome Dream Traps and reduce the effectiveness of his Dream Projections, and... I think you get the idea. This new Deep Wound really isn't all that bad. There are Killers with far more annoying abilities that divert you away from generators.

And before anyone asks about the 15% penalty to vault speed, I did the math.

Assuming that the vaults use the "charge" system of most actions in the game: You vault at a speed of 1 charge per second. This means that fast vaults are a 0.5-charge action and medium vaults are a 0.9-charge action. Stage 3 of Deep Wound reduces the speed from 1 charge per second to 0.85 charges per second.

-Fast vaults go from 0.5 seconds to approximately 0.5882 seconds, or an increase of 88.2 milliseconds.

-Medium vaults go from 0.9 seconds to approximately 1.059 seconds, or an increase of 159 milliseconds.

-I don't know the times for slow vaults and pallet vaults, but if these serve any example, it'll only be an issue if the Legion is already right on you or if you're sitting at an unsafe pallet.

In any case, there are a myriad of Killers with much more powerful chase abilities, including the ability to either take away your ability to use vaults and pallets entirely or just straight-up ignore them. Personally, I'd be more worried about the Deep Wound VFX making it harder to see the Legion and making you more susceptible to being mindgamed.

On to another question, however: If self-mending does not remove DW, then is there at least some way to get rid of it?

There are three options. The first is to simply be mended by someone else, which immediately removes Deep Wound and all of its effects, forcing Legion to put it back on you with another Frenzy attack. Alternatively—and this is why I made self-mending into a different keybind—if you have the resources to heal yourself while in stage 1, then fully self-healing puts you into the healthy state and totally removes Deep Wound. The third and most undesirable change is being put into the dying state, which completely removes any Deep Wound effects and timers you may have on you at the time.

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And that's my Legion rework. Deep Wound and Feral Frenzy are supposed to be pressure tools with a mild chase utility (free first hit applied to multiple Survivors), but right now it does not do either of those jobs. This rework is designed to grant it the power and capabilities it needs to both apply, establish, and maintain real pressure, while giving a power that makes you run fast and jump over things actual usefulness in chases.

Let me know what you think down below.